This is the recent traffic on the #SPF-council IRC channel on irc.pobox.com. Anyone may join the channel, but only council members can talk.
If you do not have access to IRC, you may view the recent traffic at: http://www.schlitt.net/spf/spf-council/now/irc_log.html.
This log can be can be viewed at: http://www.schlitt.net/spf/spf-council/2004/12/14_irc_log.html.
IRC nicknames:
| csm | Chuck Mead |
| freeside | Meng Weng Wong |
| grumpy | Wayne Schlitt |
| Julian | Julian Mehnle |
| MarkK | Mark Kramer (asarian-host.net) |
| --- Sun Dec 12 20:29:00 UTC 2004 --- | ||
| 20:29 | <grumpy> | backslash test: \ \a \n \\ \d \007 |
| --- Mon Dec 13 20:23:54 UTC 2004 --- | ||
| 20:23 | <Julian> | csm-laptop: If you think the committee would have to operate secretly, you can't expect us to magically understand why. |
| 20:24 | <Julian> | You have given an explanation on the spf-private list, fair enough. But we couldn't have known that before you sent the message. |
| 20:24 | <csm-laptop> | Julian: I explained why |
| 20:24 | <csm-laptop> | I did what I was asked to do... |
| 20:25 | <csm-laptop> | and the council members who have responded ignored the fact that there is a possible benefit herein for SPF... |
| 20:25 | <csm-laptop> | now some of the committe members are pushing me to get things underway |
| 20:25 | <csm-laptop> | it is crap or get off the pot time! |
| 20:25 | <Julian> | Sorry, obviously I don't understand the situation completely. |
| 20:25 | * | Julian gets a snack. |
| 20:26 | <grumpy> | <csm-laptop> Okay so the upshot fellas is that AMSG is going to happen outside the council's purview... a mistake on the councils part IMHO but fine just the same. |
| 20:26 | <grumpy> | Ok, first things first. Is it true that ASMG is going to happen outside of the council's purview? |
| 20:26 | <csm-laptop> | if the council doesn't get off it's collective behinds yes... |
| 20:27 | <grumpy> | What do you need besides resolution #9? |
| 20:27 | <csm-laptop> | one way or another it's going to happen but that should be no surprise because I said that to this group on saturday |
| 20:27 | <csm-laptop> | and now it seems as though the council still cannot reach a consensus... so I've asked for it on spf-private ML |
| 20:28 | * | Julian can't remember having been inert or obstinate so far. |
| 20:28 | <grumpy> | me neither. |
| 20:28 | <csm-laptop> | honestly I was prepared to wait another week but events are starting to go beyond my control |
| 20:28 | <grumpy> | I wasn't aware that I was supposed to do anything. |
| 20:28 | * | Julian neither, especially not before csm's private message. |
| 20:29 | <csm-laptop> | you weren't supposed to... |
| 20:29 | <csm-laptop> | I sent my explanation as was asked for... |
| 20:29 | <csm-laptop> | during this week it was supposed to be considered... and commented on and I'd hoped to put it to bed once and for all next week... |
| 20:29 | <Julian> | And now you complain about our inactivity because you haven't received replies within less than 2 days. |
| 20:29 | <csm-laptop> | but I don't guess we can wait that long so I have asked for some action now |
| 20:30 | <grumpy> | csm-laptop: what I seem to recall was justification for having the commettee meet in private |
| 20:30 | <grumpy> | you posted that, I responded to that. |
| 20:30 | <grumpy> | now, all of a sudden, I'm being told I haven't responded to something else, which I'm not sure what it is |
| 20:30 | <csm-laptop> | Julian: I sent it on saturday... this is monday... we could not reach consensus on saturday and everyone who has responded has ignored the most important part... now I am being pushed to go ahead anyway |
| 20:31 | <Julian> | csm-laptop: From a private conversation I had with grumpy a few minutes ago: |
| 20:31 | <Julian> | 21:02 <grumpy> Well, I get the impression if we don't vote on AMSG by tomorrow, he is going to go off on his own. |
| 20:31 | <Julian> | 21:03 <Julian> I'll try to reply before I go to bed tonight. |
| 20:31 | <Julian> | 21:03 <grumpy> ok |
| 20:31 | <Julian> | 21:03 <Julian> Thanks for the heads up. |
| 20:31 | <Julian> | -- |
| 20:31 | <csm-laptop> | grumpy: read your email... I told you waht it was |
| 20:31 | <Julian> | (grumpy, I hope you don't mind quoting that.) |
| 20:31 | <grumpy> | no |
| 20:32 | <grumpy> | I was hoping you had some clue as to what csm was talking about, but I gather you are as confused about this as I am |
| 20:32 | <Julian> | Yes, unfortunately. |
| 20:32 | <csm-laptop> | alright you guys are still foggy... let me clarify |
| 20:32 | <csm-laptop> | 1. council approves #9 |
| 20:33 | <csm-laptop> | 2. council doesn't like the way #9 is being run (eg. in private) |
| 20:33 | <csm-laptop> | 3. csm refuses to consider making it public |
| 20:33 | <csm-laptop> | 4. csm is asked to justify making it public |
| 20:33 | <csm-laptop> | 5. csm does |
| 20:33 | <Julian> | (...because council does not understand the need for the privacy. If you had explained it...) |
| 20:33 | <grumpy> | 4.: s/public/private/ |
| 20:33 | <csm-laptop> | 6. csm simultaneously explains the possible benefits there are to gain for SPF |
| 20:34 | <csm-laptop> | yes on the corection for 4 sorry |
| 20:34 | <Julian> | We were seriously missing context during the council meeting. |
| 20:35 | <grumpy> | is there a 7? |
| 20:35 | * | grumpy is in a wait state |
| 20:35 | <Julian> | I suggest adding a "high priority" flag to messages that should be read and replied to within very short notice. |
| 20:36 | <csm-laptop> | 7. now that csm has explained it he was hoping we could geta decision on saturday |
| 20:36 | <grumpy> | well, I *did* respond, didn't I? |
| 20:36 | <csm-laptop> | 8. committee members are not willing to wait |
| 20:37 | <Julian> | Huh? |
| 20:37 | <csm-laptop> | grumpy: yes you did but you ignored the SPF benefits section |
| 20:37 | <Julian> | Oh, I misread "committee members" as "council members", pardon. |
| 20:37 | <csm-laptop> | 9 comittee members are going ahead with or without concil approval |
| 20:38 | <csm-laptop> | and that's why I said what I said earlier... but I would still prefer to have this be an officially canstioned sPF effort |
| 20:38 | <csm-laptop> | as SPF stands to gain huge benefits from it |
| 20:38 | <grumpy> | I didn't see a need to respond to that part. I thought all that we were trying to decide was whether, and for how long, the committee would operate in secret |
| 20:39 | <csm-laptop> | so is the fog now lifted? |
| 20:39 | <Julian> | Yes, I think so. |
| 20:39 | <Julian> | I still don't really understand why you're so upset, though. |
| 20:39 | <csm-laptop> | okay... so please... if you can... give me a signal one way or the other in the next 24 hours |
| 20:39 | <Julian> | No problem. |
| 20:40 | <csm-laptop> | thank you :-) |
| 20:40 | <csm-laptop> | grumpy: it is now safe to go back to being a grump again! :-) |
| 20:41 | <grumpy> | and to clarify, you are not just wanting a response to whether the committee can operate in secret, but you also want some response about the benefits to SPF? |
| 20:42 | * | Julian now sees csm's request to be allowed to form the committee during our very first meeting in a totally different light. |
| 20:43 | <grumpy> | yeah |
| 20:44 | <grumpy> | csm-laptop: can you answer my question? |
| 21:22 | <csm-laptop> | sorry... I am teaching today... |
| 21:23 | <Julian> | csm-laptop: grumpy meant his quick question from 20:41 UTC. |
| 21:24 | <csm-laptop> | grumpy: response about the benefits is important to *US* as a council... I think that once all is said and done SPf will reap the benefit with or without council sanction but I think it will be a larger benefit if it is *WITH* council approval |
| 21:26 | <Julian> | The wonders that communication can do for you! ;-) |
| 21:26 | * | Julian will send a reply to csm's message later. |
| 21:26 | <csm-laptop> | oye... :-) |
| 21:27 | * | csm-laptop thanx Julian |
| 21:27 | <csm-laptop> | puff-puff-puff... the hurrier I get the behinder I go! |
| 21:30 | <MarkK> | thanks for the heads-up, wayne |
| 21:32 | <MarkK> | So, what is the upshot of it all? are we in or out of the AMSG thing? |
| 21:34 | <MarkK> | anyone here? |
| 21:40 | <Julian> | MarkK: Let's discuss it on spf-private. |
| 21:40 | <MarkK> | ok |
| 21:59 | * | csm-laptop is gone for a while... dinner... etc... am out of town |