This is the recent traffic on the #SPF-council IRC channel on irc.pobox.com. Anyone may join the channel, but only council members can talk.
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This log can be can be viewed at: http://www.schlitt.net/spf/spf-council/2004/12/19_irc_log.html.
IRC nicknames:
| csm | Chuck Mead |
| freeside | Meng Weng Wong |
| grumpy | Wayne Schlitt |
| Julian | Julian Mehnle |
| MarkK | Mark Kramer (asarian-host.net) |
| --- Sat Dec 18 13:08:27 UTC 2004 --- | ||
| 13:08 | <Julian> | csm: Why is it that you keep announcing the meetings for 20:00 UTC despite the fact that we originally agreed on 19:00 UTC? ;-) |
| 13:09 | <csm> | oh... well I just sent a correction... sorry |
| 13:09 | <Julian> | np. :)) |
| 13:09 | <csm> | I just needed some sleep last night... I was beat... but now I've had 8 hours I'm good! |
| 13:10 | <Julian> | No problem, happens to everyone of us from time to time. |
| 13:11 | <Julian> | What about meeting earlier today? Wayne is going to leave way before 20:00 UTC, I think, so maybe we should meet at 18:00 UTC today? |
| 13:13 | * | Julian goes shopping. Will be back at ~14:00 UTC. |
| 14:03 | <csm> | <csm> grumpy: what time do we need to meet today? |
| 14:03 | <csm> | <csm> barring any communication back from him we will go ahead with the 1900 start time |
| 14:11 | <Julian> | Back. |
| 14:37 | <grumpy> | csm: 1900 is the best for me. thanks for asking |
| 14:39 | <Julian> | grumpy: I figured we might need a bit more than an hour for the meeting, so I proposed 18:00 UTC for today. When are you going to leave? 19:45? |
| 14:40 | <grumpy> | something like that |
| 15:57 | <Julian> | csm: When you write: "A transcript of the proceeding will be available within 2 days or so of the meeting's completion" -- what do you mean with "transcript"? The IRC log or the minutes? |
| 16:35 | * | Julian has just finished preparing for today's meeting. |
| 16:40 | <freeside> | what's on the agenda now? |
| 16:44 | <Julian> | See $topic |
| 16:48 | <freeside> | i'd like to defer the meeting to 1300UTC on Wednesday |
| 16:48 | <Julian> | csm, grumpy? |
| 16:49 | <Julian> | freeside: Why? Can't you make it today? Or are you swamped? |
| 16:59 | <Julian_> | (What's going on here??) |
| 17:04 | <csm> | 1300 UTC on Wednesday is fine with me |
| 17:04 | <csm> | I had hoped we could do that anyway |
| 17:05 | <Julian> | Would those of you who ask for a deferral please explain your reasons? (I guess Meng is already AFK, though.) |
| 17:06 | <Julian> | It's not as if I would seriously object to deferring today's meeting, but I'd just like to know why. |
| 17:07 | <csm> | life... it's the holidays |
| 17:07 | <Julian> | So why is Wednesday better, then? :-) |
| 17:08 | <Julian> | (Just kidding.) |
| 17:08 | <csm> | Wednesday is a regular work day for me |
| 17:08 | <csm> | shopping is happening today |
| 17:09 | <Julian> | Well, can we at least wait 'til 19:00 UTC and formally delare the meeting deferred? |
| 17:09 | <csm> | I just bought a car and I've been to the haircut place... the oil change place... the video store... and have more to do |
| 17:10 | <csm> | I would actually like to propose that we either have a meeting on Wednesday or defer the next meeting all the way out to Jan 8 |
| 17:10 | <Julian> | Or we could formally defer the meeting on the mailing list. But we should explicitly do it. So I suggest you formally second Meng's motion on the list. |
| 17:10 | <Julian> | Congrats to the new car, btw. |
| 17:10 | <csm> | it's an xmas present fo rmy wife |
| 17:10 | <Julian> | Jan 8? Uhh... |
| 17:11 | <csm> | next saturday is xmas... the saturday after that is new years day |
| 17:11 | <Julian> | As I said, I really think we should have one more meeting before 12-24. |
| 17:11 | <csm> | we don't make the salendar... we just have to live with it |
| 17:11 | <csm> | calendar |
| 17:12 | <csm> | well I am willing to meet on Wednesday |
| 17:13 | <Julian> | Please second Meng's proposal (he implied Wednesday was ok for him) on the list, the others (me included) can then vote "aye" (or "nay"). |
| 17:13 | <csm> | check your mail |
| 17:16 | <Julian> | Ok. Although I just noticed I _might_ not be able to make 13:00 UTC. 14:00 might be better, but then you wouldn't really have to wait for me on the other hand... |
| 17:17 | <csm> | he-he |
| 17:17 | <csm> | well the holidays are going to be orugh |
| 17:17 | <csm> | rough |
| 17:18 | <Julian> | What about yet another meeting around 2004-12-29 or 2005-01-05? Would you be willing/able to do that? |
| 17:22 | <Julian> | More precisely, I'd suggest either Tue 2004-12-28 or 2005-01-04 (adjacent days would be ok, too). |
| 17:25 | <csm> | oye |
| 17:25 | <csm> | the 01-04 date I cannot answer |
| 17:26 | <csm> | this is an "uncaught" juggling ball on my schedule that *MAY* put me teaching in Pittsburgh that week... if so I would likely be unavailable |
| 17:26 | <csm> | it may, or may not, happen |
| 17:27 | <Julian> | I just think that 2004-12-22..2005-01-08 is a bit long for a break. What about the ~12-28 date? |
| 17:27 | <freeside> | sorry |
| 17:27 | <freeside> | i'm not going to be able to make it today because i'm TZ=+0800 |
| 17:28 | <Julian> | freeside: Oh, ok. |
| 17:28 | <freeside> | tuesday, wednesday, thursday would all be ok with me |
| 17:28 | <freeside> | also noting that we haven't had as much discussion on the council list as we should |
| 17:28 | <Julian> | freeside, csm: Would 14:00..16:00 (instead of 13:00..15:00) on Wednesday be ok with you, too? |
| 17:28 | <Julian> | freeside: True. |
| 17:28 | <freeside> | yes, sure |
| 17:29 | * | freeside goes to bed |
| 17:30 | <Julian> | Too bad freeside's IRC client says he is TZ=-0500. :-) |
| 18:20 | * | grumpy pokes his head in |
| 19:00 | <Julian> | 19:00 UTC. |
| 19:05 | <MarkK> | weren't we supposed to start an hour earlier today? (now, I mean) |
| 19:09 | <Julian> | MarkK: It's 19:00 now. Who authoritatively said 18:00? |
| 19:09 | <Julian> | Oh, you mean 19:00. |
| 19:09 | <MarkK> | yes |
| 19:10 | <Julian> | MarkK: Well, there's a proposal on the table to defer today's meeting to Wednesday, 13:00 UTC, but as far as I can see it has not passed yet. |
| 19:10 | <MarkK> | Has it been on spf-council list? I have not received any messages from it this week |
| 19:11 | <Julian> | Yes, it is on the list. |
| 19:11 | <Julian> | Weird, perhaps you have accidentally been unsubscribed? |
| 19:11 | <MarkK> | odd; the last message I have dates tuesday 14 |
| 19:12 | <Julian> | MarkK: http://moongroup.com/pipermail/spf-council/2004-December/000061.html |
| 19:13 | <MarkK> | I already email csm about a timeout error on his callback method |
| 19:14 | <MarkK> | 1300 UTC is 5 AM |
| 19:14 | <Julian> | Yeah, I was having problems with smtp://server1.moongroup.com, too. |
| 19:14 | <Julian> | 5 AM in what timezone? |
| 19:14 | <MarkK> | yep, server1.moongroup.com |
| 19:14 | <MarkK> | GMT + 1 |
| 19:15 | <Julian> | No. 13:00 UTC is 14:00 CET (+0100). |
| 19:16 | <MarkK> | Oh, lol; duh; right; like 1900 UTC is now. :) |
| 19:17 | <Julian> | Why can't we just arrange the meeting dates at least a day in advance? *sigh* |
| 19:18 | <MarkK> | thanks for wiki info, btw; I plan to upload things soon (like a full sendmail-response paper) |
| 19:18 | * | grumpy pokes his head in again |
| 19:19 | <grumpy> | MarkK: csm mumbled something about your mail server being down |
| 19:20 | <Julian> | MarkK: For controversial stuff, I suggest having it discussed first before uploading it to the wiki. |
| 19:20 | <MarkK> | grumpy: No; I get hundreds of these in my log: |
| 19:20 | <MarkK> | Dec 18 06:31:03 asarian-host sendmail[88750]: iBI5V1BJ088748: to=<spf-private@moongroup.com>, ctladdr=<admin@asarian-host.net> (1074/1074), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=esmtp, pri=31811, relay=server1.moongroup.com. [204.157.7.157], dsn=4.2.0, stat=Deferred: 450 <SRS0=cqkkHYjg=PC=asarian-host.net=admin@asarian-host.net>: Sender address rejected: u...livery temporarily suspended: connect to mail.asarian-host.net[194.109.160.70]: Connectio |
| 19:21 | <MarkK> | Clearly his server connects to mine; but something seems amiss on his callback. |
| 19:21 | <MarkK> | grumpy: can you send me a quick email? just for test |
| 19:22 | <MarkK> | Julian: of course |
| 19:23 | <grumpy> | Hmmm... |
| 19:23 | * | grumpy discovers he doesn't have MarkK's email address |
| 19:23 | <grumpy> | do you use admin@... |
| 19:23 | <MarkK> | admin@asarian-host.net |
| 19:23 | <grumpy> | ok |
| 19:24 | <grumpy> | sent |
| 19:25 | <MarkK> | got it; and sent reply |
| 19:26 | <grumpy> | got it |
| 19:26 | <grumpy> | I don't do any callbacks, and it appears that you don't do callbacks either |
| 19:27 | <MarkK> | no, I don't |
| 19:27 | <MarkK> | I use SRS. :) No callback required |
| 19:30 | <MarkK> | so, I take it we are not now officially in sesssion then? |
| 19:30 | <grumpy> | apparently not |
| 19:30 | <grumpy> | life would be a lot easier if there was only one timezone... |
| 19:30 | <grumpy> | ;-) |
| 19:31 | <Julian> | Life would be a lot easier if people actually stated a day in advance they can't make their meetings. :-| |
| 19:31 | <grumpy> | that too |
| 19:32 | <MarkK> | life would be a lot easier if received mail from the council list :) |
| 19:32 | * | grumpy agrees |
| 19:33 | <grumpy> | Oh, and speaking of agreable, while I can make it to 13:00UTC meetings, I may not have coffee yet so I will likely be grumpier than normal. |
| 19:33 | <grumpy> | be warned. |
| 19:33 | <grumpy> | ;-) |
| 19:33 | <Julian> | Well, I'd prefer 14:00 UTC even. |
| 19:33 | <MarkK> | perhaps csm makes a callback with a diffeent IP address? Because, clearly, as my log entry showed, my server does connect with his, and vice versa; it just times out on the callback, it seems |
| 19:34 | <MarkK> | 3 PM? sounds good to me |
| 19:34 | <MarkK> | 15.00 GMT+1 |
| 19:34 | <grumpy> | hey, here is an idea: We should all put our acceptable meeting times on the wiki |
| 19:34 | <Julian> | grumpy: Meng already published his calendar. |
| 19:35 | <grumpy> | Yeah, but it isn't clear what those times are and when he would be willing to do meetings |
| 19:35 | <Julian> | I doubt he'd be willing to manually transfer his schedule from there to the wiki. |
| 19:36 | <grumpy> | There just has to be a solution to this that involves perl, SOAP, c++ and .net |
| 19:36 | <MarkK> | :) |
| 19:37 | <Julian> | That depends on what data format that calendar can export. |
| 19:37 | <Julian> | (Discussion moved to #spf.) |