This is the recent traffic on the #SPF-council IRC channel on irc.pobox.com. Anyone may join the channel, but only council members can talk.
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IRC nicknames:
| csm | Chuck Mead |
| freeside | Meng Weng Wong |
| grumpy | Wayne Schlitt |
| Julian | Julian Mehnle |
| MarkK | Mark Kramer (asarian-host.net) |
| --- Sat Jan 8 17:13:06 UTC 2005 --- | ||
| 17:13 | <Julian> | freeside: Are you there? AFAIK, Greg Connor actually has moderator privileges for spf-discuss. Does the same apply to Scott Kitterman and spf-help? |
| 17:31 | <Julian> | (I mean, technically.) |
| 17:31 | <freeside> | yes, i think so |
| 17:31 | <freeside> | they have listowner privileges. |
| 17:31 | <Julian> | Ok, thanks. |
| 17:31 | <freeside> | they can go do whatever they want on those lists. |
| 17:31 | <grumpy> | cool |
| 17:31 | <grumpy> | thanks freeside |
| 17:31 | <freeside> | i can add you guys too if you want |
| 17:32 | <freeside> | or just get the list admin password off them. |
| 17:32 | <Julian> | No, I fully trust in Greg's and Scott's abilities. :) |
| 17:32 | <grumpy> | ditto, but in case of an emergancy, it might be useful. |
| 17:32 | <Julian> | And it's not as if I hadn't anything to do with my time... :) |
| 17:32 | <grumpy> | how about sending the password(s) to spf-private? |
| 17:32 | <Julian> | Good idea. |
| 17:32 | <grumpy> | then we can dig it out if we ever need it |
| 17:32 | * | grumpy agrees with Julian about time issues |
| 17:33 | * | Julian is currently finishing the minutes of the last meeting. |
| 17:34 | <grumpy> | The good news for the day is that draft-schlitt-spf-classic has been picked up by the IETF ADs as "being evaluated" and sent off to "dea-dir" |
| 17:35 | * | grumpy goes off to find out WTF "dea-dir" is. (I'm guessing the directorate, but....) |
| 17:36 | <Julian> | grumpy: Very good. Do you still plan on submitting another iteration of the spec? |
| 17:37 | <grumpy> | yes, I found a bunch more work to do. |
| 17:37 | <grumpy> | for example, the sections are in "the wrong order" |
| 17:38 | <grumpy> | and I'm merging the "process limits" and "security consideration" sections. |
| 17:38 | <Julian> | Ok. |
| 17:39 | <grumpy> | Oh, and according to an IETF web page, RFCs are supposed to use "American" spelling/grammar, so "foo." is correct. :-< |
| 17:40 | <Julian> | Ignore it. |
| 17:40 | <Julian> | This should be only a guideline. |
| 17:41 | <grumpy> | I'm not sure if that is a battle I want to fight. |
| 17:42 | <grumpy> | s/I want to/I think would be productive to/ |
| 17:43 | <Julian> | Well, fighting to establish the ISO date format world-wide isn't really "productive" on first sight either. |
| 17:44 | <grumpy> | Yeah, but I may well have burnt all my default "good will" with the IETF folks during the MARID fiasco. |
| 17:45 | <Julian> | Do whatever you think is right. :) |
| 17:45 | <Julian> | Just don't ask me, because if you do, I will tell you "use the new/logical quoting style". |
| 17:45 | <Julian> | ;-) |
| 17:45 | <grumpy> | Well, the minutes of the Jan 5 IESG meeting are out today and it looks like all the SPF/SenderID I-Ds got sent off to the dea-dir and, yes, that is the directorate. |
| 17:46 | <grumpy> | and they have a mailing list, but I'm not sure if I can subscribe to it. |
| 17:46 | <grumpy> | or who is on it. |
| 17:46 | <Julian> | What's the URL of the minutes? |
| 17:47 | <grumpy> | Julian: as you know, I think the logical (hacker) quoting style is better, I just think it would be more productive to argue about other things, like maybe getting spf-classic made a standard-track RFC rather than an experimental. |
| 17:47 | <grumpy> | https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/status_of_item.cgi |
| 17:47 | <Julian> | I agree. |
| 17:49 | <grumpy> | new mailing list to subscribe to: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dea-dir |
| 17:50 | <grumpy> | although it looks like it may be moderated and closed |
| 18:46 | * | Julian is away. Feel free to proceed without me if you have quorum. |
| 19:01 | <csm> | okay so who is here? |
| 19:03 | <csm> | hello? |
| 19:03 | <csm> | it's after 1900 |
| 19:03 | <grumpy> | ugh |
| 19:03 | <grumpy> | sorry, lost track of time |
| 19:03 | <grumpy> | I'm here! |
| 19:04 | <grumpy> | freeside was here just a little while ago, I haven't heard from MarkK |
| 19:04 | <csm> | okay well... with freeside we'd have 3... isn't that enough? |
| 19:04 | <grumpy> | I thought the quorum is 4... |
| 19:05 | <grumpy> | So, we wouldn't be able to vote on anything, but reports could still be given |
| 19:05 | <csm> | okay well... without a quorom I would prefer to defer the meeting |
| 19:05 | <csm> | I had to travel the end of the week and thus was quite disorganized |
| 19:05 | <grumpy> | ok |
| 19:06 | <grumpy> | Well, how long do you want to wait for freeside and MarkK to show up? |
| 19:06 | <csm> | I don;t... |
| 19:07 | <csm> | meeting isn't happening... they're not here... |
| 19:07 | <grumpy> | hmmm.... :-< |
| 19:07 | <csm> | I'll send an email out later announcing the next meeting time |
| 19:07 | <grumpy> | when should our next meeting be? |
| 19:07 | <csm> | next saturday I guess |
| 19:08 | <grumpy> | would you be able to deal with Wed? |
| 19:08 | <csm> | this next week is a normal week... people have to work |
| 19:08 | <grumpy> | yeah |
| 19:08 | <grumpy> | It has just been a while since we have had a meeting, and waiting another week sounds a little long. |
| 19:09 | <csm> | I don't see Wenesday as a legitimate possibility |
| 19:09 | <grumpy> | ok |
| 19:09 | <csm> | unless our European brothers want to stay up late |
| 19:09 | <grumpy> | Or us having to get up real early. |
| 19:09 | * | grumpy sighs |
| 19:10 | <grumpy> | Welp, it is 10 after. I guess we can call it quits. |
| 19:10 | <grumpy> | I'll be around for a little while, in case a quorum appears. |
| 19:10 | <csm> | yup... |
| 19:11 | <csm> | somehow I doubt it and I have errands to run this afternoon so I cannot hang out and wait for it |
| 19:11 | <grumpy> | ok |
| 22:13 | * | Julian is back. |