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| --- Wed Mar 2 21:56:19 UTC 2005 --- |
| 21:56 | * | grumpy pokes his nose in |
| 21:56 | <MarkK> | good evening; the bot is back :) |
| 21:56 | <grumpy> | s/bot/grumpy/ |
| 21:56 | <Julian> | Wee, {0pm3} is alive! |
| 21:56 | <grumpy> | been away for a while... |
| 21:56 | <grumpy> | sorry I've been out of contact. |
| 21:57 | <Julian> | grumpy: What happened? |
| 21:57 | * | grumpy has close to 2 weeks of mailing list traffic to catch up on. |
| 21:57 | <grumpy> | family stuff. |
| 21:57 | <MarkK> | I am glad we are here; we really need to address a few issues |
| 21:59 | <MarkK> | especially the website issue, I would say; the urgency for that seems to increase |
| 21:59 | <grumpy> | were there ever minutes published for the last meeting? |
| 21:59 | * | grumpy decides to do some pre-reading |
| 22:00 | <Julian> | grumpy: Yeah, of course. :) |
| 22:00 | <grumpy> | the meeting does start -35 seconds ago, right? |
| 22:00 | <Julian> | http://spf.mehnle.net/Council_Meeting/2005-02-09 |
| 22:01 | <Julian> | grumpy: Yeah. But let's wait for Chuck. He wanted to be here in a few minutes. |
| 22:01 | <grumpy> | and Meng? |
| 22:01 | <Julian> | Dunno. |
| 22:02 | <Julian> | I talked to him on #spf an hour ago. |
| 22:03 | <MarkK> | I *really* want to hear from Meng, by now; honestly, a lot depends on him; HSARPA, for one; but also, he is the only one with access to pobox.com. I mean, we can talk a blue streak on spf-discuss on changing websites URLs, but without him nothing goes. |
| 22:04 | <Julian> | MarkK: Well, we _can_ change URLs without him. But I don't think we should do this without him, and we also cannot administrate spf.pobox.com DNS without him. |
| 22:06 | <grumpy> | did anyone know that you can use \[...] in domain names to create domains with binary data in them? |
| 22:06 | <grumpy> | (rfc2673) |
| 22:06 | <Julian> | Depends on the DNS server, I guess. AFAIK binary data in domain labels is generally allowed, isn't it? |
| 22:06 | <MarkK> | A simply RedirectPermanent directive would suffice; I do not think ppl should have to mess with their DNS |
| 22:07 | <Julian> | MarkK: What people? |
| 22:07 | <Julian> | All: Have you read my draft response to Yakov? |
| 22:08 | <MarkK> | Yes, I have; I thought it was pretty good. There was just one thing I wanted to mention. |
| 22:08 | <Julian> | Please do! |
| 22:08 | <grumpy> | Julian: Yes, all DNS servers *should* allow binary data in domain names (but not host names), but I'm just not sure what most resolvers will do with bravo.\[b10].foo.example |
| 22:08 | <grumpy> | Julian: no, I have not read it yet..... :-< |
| 22:09 | <Julian> | grumpy: Read it, it's not that long. 5min should suffice. |
| 22:09 | <grumpy> | Uh, where is it? |
| 22:10 | <Julian> | grumpy: I posted it to spf-private. |
| 22:10 | * | grumpy goes searching. |
| 22:10 | <MarkK> | In a way you already have, but I was thinking that perpaps you could stress a bit clearer how SPF will, when enough domain owers publish SPF records, allow the re-introduction of domain based blocklists; that, in the long run, will really help to reduce spam. I thought a person like Yakov might like to hear about those things. |
| 22:10 | <Julian> | grumpy: 2005-03-01, subject "Draft Response to Yakov's Inquiry (was: PR Inquiry)" |
| 22:11 | <MarkK> | Other than that, I was quite content with it |
| 22:11 | <Julian> | MarkK: Note that my response is not supposed to be an article in itself, but a response to Yakov's questions. |
| 22:11 | <Julian> | I guess Yakov knows about the background already, I think he just wanted to know our position on certain issues. |
| 22:11 | <MarkK> | Julian; I realize that, of course; but it seems to me Yakov might be looking for a response from us in which we spell it out. |
| 22:12 | <Julian> | Hmm. |
| 22:12 | <MarkK> | otoh, as you say, Yakov is well aware and familiar with these issues |
| 22:13 | <grumpy> | I'm pretty sure Yakov also understands that those are some of the reasons why people like SPF and are involved with it. |
| 22:13 | <Julian> | The most important issue with my (our) response is that it should not misrepresent any(thing|one). |
| 22:13 | <MarkK> | I think you did a good job of that |
| 22:13 | <Julian> | csm-laptop: Welcome back! |
| 22:13 | <csm-laptop> | hello |
| 22:13 | <csm-laptop> | sorry... |
| 22:13 | <csm-laptop> | had to walk down the hill back to the hotel |
| 22:14 | <csm-laptop> | I am on site at HP this week |
| 22:14 | * | Julian passes the imaginary conch to csm-laptop. |
| 22:14 | <csm-laptop> | so where are we? |
| 22:14 | <csm-laptop> | we start anything yet? |
| 22:14 | <grumpy> | no, not yet... |
| 22:14 | <MarkK> | you were about to start the meeting :) |
| 22:14 | <Julian> | csm-laptop: We have not yet started. |
| 22:14 | <csm-laptop> | okay |
| 22:14 | <Julian> | freeside: ping |
| 22:14 | <csm-laptop> | well the meeting will come to order |
| 22:15 | <csm-laptop> | first item on the agenda is approval of the minutes from the previous meeting |
| 22:15 | <grumpy> | I have read the minutes and approve of them. |
| 22:15 | <grumpy> | motion: approve the minutes |
| 22:15 | <csm-laptop> | second? |
| 22:15 | <Julian> | For the record, the minutes are here: http://spf.mehnle.net/Council_Meeting/2005-02-09 |
| 22:15 | <grumpy> | (do others need more time to read them?) |
| 22:16 | <csm-laptop> | second the motion? anyone? |
| 22:16 | * | csm-laptop presumed a motion on grumpy's first comment |
| 22:16 | <Julian> | I'd like not having to second the motion, even though I will vote "yes". |
| 22:16 | * | grumpy points @ MarkK |
| 22:16 | <MarkK> | seconded |
| 22:17 | <csm-laptop> | votes? |
| 22:17 | <Julian> | 2215u: yes |
| 22:17 | <grumpy> | 22:15 yes |
| 22:17 | <MarkK> | 2215u: yes |
| 22:17 | * | csm-laptop pokes freeside |
| 22:17 | <grumpy> | someone said he was on #spf an hour ago... |
| 22:17 | <Julian> | Correct. |
| 22:18 | <csm-laptop> | I know... I at least talked in his general direction |
| 22:18 | <csm-laptop> | anyway |
| 22:18 | <csm-laptop> | so ordered... |
| 22:18 | <csm-laptop> | next item is the Chairman's report |
| 22:18 | <Julian> | Thank you. |
| 22:18 | <csm-laptop> | I have delivered my PR to Julian for editing... he tells me it should be ready tomorrow or friday... |
| 22:19 | <Julian> | True. |
| 22:19 | <csm-laptop> | then we will pass it in front of the council... |
| 22:19 | <MarkK> | Also, a nitpick perhaps, but I thought somewhere along the line we agreed on having eat least a 24 hour notice prior to a meeting. I mean, I do not mind now, since I was here anyway. But I might have missed it. |
| 22:19 | <csm-laptop> | having what? |
| 22:19 | <Julian> | MarkK: We also were supposed to have _regular_ bi-weekly meetings. ;-) |
| 22:19 | <csm-laptop> | a |
| 22:19 | <csm-laptop> | I see |
| 22:19 | <csm-laptop> | MarkK: blame me... it's my fault |
| 22:20 | <Julian> | Well, I hope freeside has no problem with today's short notice. |
| 22:20 | <MarkK> | no blame going around, really :) just that I might have easily missed it |
| 22:20 | * | csm-laptop is just a mess... :-) |
| 22:20 | <Julian> | csm-laptop: You also wanted to report on AMSG? |
| 22:20 | <csm-laptop> | so anyway... that's the chairman's report |
| 22:20 | <grumpy> | divorces will do that... |
| 22:20 | <csm-laptop> | ah... |
| 22:21 | <Julian> | At least that's what the agenda says. |
| 22:21 | <csm-laptop> | amsg has added a new member and I swear to god I will be moving it ahead... |
| 22:21 | <Julian> | (which was written by you.) |
| 22:21 | * | csm-laptop winces |
| 22:21 | <Julian> | Ok. I think we all have a life beyond SPF. :) |
| 22:21 | * | Julian certainly does. |
| 22:22 | * | csm-laptop has a bit too much life right now! |
| 22:22 | <csm-laptop> | but in many ways it's a good thing |
| 22:22 | <Julian> | Better too much than too little. ;-) |
| 22:22 | <csm-laptop> | anyway that's actually the totality of what I have to say |
| 22:22 | <csm-laptop> | so Meng? |
| 22:22 | * | Julian pokes freeside, too. |
| 22:23 | <Julian> | Alright, let's defer the ED's report until later, ok? |
| 22:23 | <csm-laptop> | next item |
| 22:24 | <csm-laptop> | Yakov Response |
| 22:24 | <Julian> | One moment, please! |
| 22:24 | <Julian> | I request that we either speak mysteriously, or not include this item in the minutes. |
| 22:25 | <grumpy> | what about the IRC logs? |
| 22:25 | <Julian> | Well, I'm against censoring those. |
| 22:25 | <csm-laptop> | I read through Julian's work... and it was good...well hang on a sec |
| 22:25 | <Julian> | But including the item in the minutes is going to give the item more prominence than necessary. |
| 22:26 | <grumpy> | I have'nt read all of the response yet, but one comment I have is that there are probably closer to 1million SPF records. |
| 22:26 | <csm-laptop> | I think we can maybe handle this without "opening up" on the content |
| 22:26 | <Julian> | Motion: The IRC discussion on item #4 shall not be included in the meeting minutes. |
| 22:26 | * | grumpy has completed another survey of all .com/.net/.org domains, but hasn't analized them yet. |
| 22:27 | <csm-laptop> | I read the thing and liked it |
| 22:27 | <MarkK> | Julian: but this forum is public anyway |
| 22:27 | <Julian> | grumpy: Well, I haven't had access to any other numbers besides the infinitepenguins ones. |
| 22:28 | <grumpy> | I've mentioned my previous surveys before... |
| 22:28 | <grumpy> | I'll try to do some calculations soon after the meeting |
| 22:28 | <Julian> | I know, but they haven't really solidified yet, have they? |
| 22:28 | <grumpy> | "they"? |
| 22:28 | <grumpy> | my previous surveys? |
| 22:28 | <Julian> | Your surveys. |
| 22:29 | <grumpy> | what do you mean by "solidified"? |
| 22:29 | <Julian> | I mean, is there a conclusive web page I can refer to? |
| 22:29 | <grumpy> | I ran the surveys and posted numbers to spf-dicuss and/or marid |
| 22:29 | <grumpy> | oh, no, no web page, other than links to posts |
| 22:29 | <Julian> | Well, I could link to the mailing list posting, but that's not really _that_ convincing. :-] |
| 22:30 | <grumpy> | If someone wants to put the numbers on a webpage, that would be great |
| 22:30 | <grumpy> | infinitepenguins doesn't look very good right now either... |
| 22:30 | <Julian> | It should either be on spf-help.com or on spf.pobox.com in order to look authoritative. |
| 22:30 | <Julian> | (Or was it spf-help.net? Whatever.) |
| 22:31 | <Julian> | I agree, but it's the best we have at the moment. |
| 22:31 | <Julian> | s/the best/the best numbers/ |
| 22:31 | <grumpy> | anyway, this is OT... what were we supposed to be discussing? |
| 22:31 | <Julian> | 4. Yakov Response. |
| 22:31 | <grumpy> | Ah |
| 22:31 | <Julian> | Any suggestions for changes to the response draft? |
| 22:32 | <Julian> | ..._concrete_ suggestions... |
| 22:32 | * | MarkK brings a motion to accept julian's response, and sanction sending it out as 'official'. |
| 22:32 | <grumpy> | not for the purposes of this meeting... I need to read it carefully.. |
| 22:33 | <csm-laptop> | okay... |
| 22:33 | <Julian> | grumpy: Ok, I'd like to send it off before I go to bed this night (i.e. before ~01:00 UTC). |
| 22:33 | <csm-laptop> | based on grumpy's request I have a suggestion... |
| 22:33 | <Julian> | grumpy: Send me your suggestions before that. |
| 22:33 | <grumpy> | Ok, let's finish this meeting quickly then. ;-) |
| 22:34 | <Julian> | csm-laptop: What suggestion? |
| 22:34 | <MarkK> | Ok, if we need more time, then I withdraw the motion; but lets be fast about it regardless. :) |
| 22:34 | <csm-laptop> | grumpy... read it while we discuss the web site |
| 22:34 | <Julian> | csm-laptop: Good idea. |
| 22:34 | <csm-laptop> | the next item is the web site |
| 22:34 | <grumpy> | I think we should have a website |
| 22:34 | <Julian> | LOL |
| 22:34 | <csm-laptop> | and let me just point out that where the web site is concerned... |
| 22:35 | <csm-laptop> | the natives are growing quite restless... ;-) |
| 22:35 | * | csm-laptop smiles |
| 22:35 | <Julian> | csm-laptop: Well, I'm sorry it took me so long to present my plan. |
| 22:35 | <Julian> | There was this "life" thing that just didn't want to go away. ;-) |
| 22:35 | <MarkK> | all: reading the feedback from discuss, this websites really becomes an urgent issue; we can no longer ignore it |
| 22:35 | <Julian> | MarkK: I don't think we are ignoring it. |
| 22:36 | <csm-laptop> | MarkK: and thus we find it on today's meeting agenda! |
| 22:36 | <MarkK> | :) |
| 22:36 | * | csm-laptop grinz again |
| 22:36 | <csm-laptop> | so... |
| 22:37 | <MarkK> | I have the server to run it on, of course; but I do not have unlimited bandwidth |
| 22:37 | <csm-laptop> | I had and have noooooooooo objection to Julian's plan |
| 22:37 | <csm-laptop> | and freeside has already said that pobox is more than willing to continue hosting |
| 22:37 | <Julian> | It might be possible to return to my originally planned discussion deadline of 2005-03-09, but we _need_ some hosting offers (e.g. from Meng), and some software suggestions. |
| 22:37 | <csm-laptop> | on the software front... |
| 22:37 | <MarkK> | a new server will have to be able to accept quite a few 'why.html' requests |
| 22:37 | <csm-laptop> | who ever is gonna maintain it needs to be familiar with the software |
| 22:38 | <Julian> | It would have been really good to have Meng present this evening. |
| 22:38 | <MarkK> | julian: yes |
| 22:38 | <Julian> | Also, the software and hosting should fulfill most of my requirements. |
| 22:38 | <Julian> | (E.g. multiple editors and stuff.) |
| 22:38 | <MarkK> | I think most of us know how to run a website; I think bandwidth will be the real issue |
| 22:39 | <Julian> | MarkK: I agree. |
| 22:39 | <csm-laptop> | pobox says they will handle it |
| 22:39 | <Julian> | spf.pobox.com handled the bandwidth pretty well so far. |
| 22:39 | <MarkK> | like I said, a new server will have to be able to accept quite a few 'why.html' requests. those could be millions per day |
| 22:40 | <csm-laptop> | perhaps a cached response for that? |
| 22:40 | <Julian> | Alright, I don't think we can (nor should) make a final decision today. |
| 22:40 | <MarkK> | also, he who runs that website, would also have a pretty good overview on fails, etc. |
| 22:40 | <Julian> | MarkK: Interesting aspect. |
| 22:40 | <csm-laptop> | well did anybody have any objection to Julian's plan? |
| 22:41 | * | MarkK expressed his disappointment on meng not being here; we *really* need him present for this |
| 22:41 | <MarkK> | plan? |
| 22:41 | <Julian> | csm-laptop: You mean my meta-plan? |
| 22:41 | <csm-laptop> | yes |
| 22:41 | <csm-laptop> | I thought it was good |
| 22:41 | <Julian> | "[spf-discuss] Official website: Requirements, Contents, Solutions" |
| 22:41 | <MarkK> | Ok, that plan |
| 22:41 | <csm-laptop> | >freeside< ping! <----------- I have been sending out aq bunch of those |
| 22:42 | <Julian> | Well, Meng can still comment on the website issue by mail. |
| 22:42 | <csm-laptop> | so I think Julian should keep pushing his plan on behalf of the council |
| 22:42 | <MarkK> | agreed |
| 22:42 | <csm-laptop> | and get Meng to pony up some web site access |
| 22:43 | <MarkK> | and do some redirect |
| 22:43 | <Julian> | Perhaps we don't need any redirections if the site ends up being hosted on spf.pobox.com again. |
| 22:44 | <Julian> | Some people in the community won't like this because they don't trust Meng. |
| 22:45 | <MarkK> | Could be. I think the critique voiced on discuss, re the relationship with Microsft, needs resolving too; I would really like for Meng to either remove certain sender-id related texts, or seriously reword them. |
| 22:45 | <csm-laptop> | Meng needs to pony up some web access |
| 22:45 | <csm-laptop> | and then we get a new web site |
| 22:45 | <Julian> | Well, that's why I said the new website needs edit access for all the council members. |
| 22:45 | <Julian> | csm-laptop: Right. |
| 22:46 | <MarkK> | csm: right |
| 22:46 | <csm-laptop> | and I am hoping my new PR will clarify our position with respect to SID |
| 22:46 | <Julian> | Shall I ask Meng to either change the current site or give someone of us edit access? |
| 22:46 | <csm-laptop> | ask Meng for whatever you think you need to move us forward... |
| 22:46 | <csm-laptop> | nobody can tell any of us how to run a web site |
| 22:47 | <Julian> | I, personally, wouldn't want to invest much time in fixing the current site. |
| 22:47 | <csm-laptop> | we all know how already |
| 22:47 | <MarkK> | csm: as a sidenote, I am beginning to agree more and more with you on the issue of a clearer statement regarding sender-id being required. lso, if we look on spf-discuss, ppl are really getting ticked off the way the website is now |
| 22:47 | <csm-laptop> | MarkK: I know... |
| 22:47 | <csm-laptop> | I have known this was coming for a while |
| 22:48 | <csm-laptop> | okay so Julian... hound Meng like there is no tomorrow! |
| 22:48 | <csm-laptop> | :-) |
| 22:48 | <Julian> | I'm going to introduce the CIVS test vote real soon now, so the community can perhaps do one or two real at-large votes on this stuff. |
| 22:48 | <csm-laptop> | grumpy: done reading yet? |
| 22:49 | <MarkK> | csm: yes, I see little value in 'fixing' the current site; a clear, new one would be better (and probably faster roo) |
| 22:49 | <MarkK> | too, even |
| 22:49 | <Julian> | Ranked voting would do wonders for voting on several differing Sender-ID position statements (probably even including the existing position statement). |
| 22:51 | <csm-laptop> | MarkK: I want a new site.... but I'm not the one that's going to do it |
| 22:51 | <csm-laptop> | which is good... |
| 22:51 | <grumpy> | csm-laptop: I'm making a reply to spf-private |
| 22:51 | <csm-laptop> | if I was it might not get done soon |
| 22:51 | <Julian> | grumpy: Ok. |
| 22:51 | <grumpy> | Julian: I agree about voting |
| 22:52 | <Julian> | I need to coordinate with John Pinkerton for the test vote, though. He's the closest thing to an election officer we have. |
| 22:53 | <Julian> | Also, he wrote the old election software. |
| 22:53 | <MarkK> | csm: we have quite a few ppl willing and able (think: jpink, for instance) to help out on the new website; but redunantly so, really nothing goes without meng's help |
| 22:53 | <Julian> | MarkK: Is that so?? |
| 22:54 | <MarkK> | julian, what part? |
| 22:54 | <Julian> | I mean, I don't want to pass over Meng, but technically, we could. |
| 22:55 | <MarkK> | then how are we going to deal with all those URLs to why.html on the pobox website? |
| 22:55 | <MarkK> | for that, we do need meng's help |
| 22:56 | <Julian> | MarkK: Well, the http://spf.pobox.com/why.html URL isn't defined in the spec, it's just in the reference implementation (and perhaps in some other implementations). |
| 22:56 | <Julian> | But this is all hypothetical. |
| 22:56 | <MarkK> | (on my own server, I can easily 's/ / /' that URL, of course), but that only applies to my server |
| 22:56 | <csm-laptop> | a redirect form there to somewhere else would be easy if that's what we want to do |
| 22:57 | <MarkK> | csm: not without meng actually doing the redirect, is my point |
| 22:57 | <csm-laptop> | MarkK: I know |
| 22:57 | <grumpy> | Julian: it is in most other implementations that I know of.. |
| 22:57 | <MarkK> | so, we need to bug the hell out of him. :) |
| 22:58 | <grumpy> | ("it" == "hardcode URL to pobox") |
| 22:58 | <MarkK> | julian: yes, and like I said, locally that URL is easily substituted; I'd rather see it done at the source, though |
| 22:59 | <csm-laptop> | grumpy: if those are all your comments on the Yakov doc then we can go with it? |
| 23:00 | <grumpy> | those are my only comments... the "reactionary" part is the thing I feel most strongly about. |
| 23:00 | <Julian> | Agreed. But this is all really hypothetical at the moment. I'd really like to hear Meng's opinion on where the site should be hosted. |
| 23:00 | <grumpy> | I could certainly live with it being sent as-is. |
| 23:01 | <csm-laptop> | Julian: Meng thinks it should be hosted at pobox |
| 23:01 | <csm-laptop> | he said that earlier today |
| 23:01 | <grumpy> | I thought Meng has pretty much opened up to the idea of a new site being run off of pobox... |
| 23:01 | <Julian> | csm-laptop: What were his reasons? |
| 23:01 | <csm-laptop> | well I didn't ask him... |
| 23:01 | <grumpy> | didn't he say something about getting mason running somewhere and start hacking? |
| 23:01 | * | Julian reads grumpy's comments. |
| 23:01 | <csm-laptop> | but given that he's volunteering to host it ... I mean what's the problem as long as we have editorial access? |
| 23:02 | <Julian> | grumpy: Yes, Meng said such a thing. |
| 23:02 | <MarkK> | I am not opposed to that, per se, but that new website would have to be under control of ppl we selected (without an overriding voice of meng, sorry) |
| 23:02 | <Julian> | I'm not sure I like the Mason thing. I doubt it's _easy_ to edit. |
| 23:03 | <grumpy> | For what it is worth, I could make good use of the why.html data for help with the trusted-fowarder DNSWL. |
| 23:03 | <Julian> | Has anyone of you ever tried to edit http://spf.mehnle.net? |
| 23:03 | <grumpy> | that's the council thingy? |
| 23:03 | <Julian> | Yep. |
| 23:03 | <grumpy> | yeah, I've made changes to it. |
| 23:03 | <grumpy> | been a while. |
| 23:03 | <grumpy> | worked fine though. |
| 23:03 | <Julian> | Editing Mason pages with `vi` or uploading stuff via SFTP isn't what I'd call easy. |
| 23:03 | <MarkK> | we could go with something like that, julian |
| 23:04 | <Julian> | It depends on what Meng thinks. |
| 23:04 | <MarkK> | julian: agreed |
| 23:04 | <Julian> | grumpy: Alright, I sort of agree with you not liking the "reactionaries" wording. |
| 23:04 | <csm-laptop> | okay... we have passed the 1 hour mark... |
| 23:04 | <grumpy> | I think Meng's point was not that mason is the only way to go, but that it would be easy to start fixing up the current site if you had it. |
| 23:04 | <csm-laptop> | we are not going to solve the web site without meng |
| 23:04 | <grumpy> | agreed. |
| 23:05 | <csm-laptop> | Julian: keep pushing Meng! |
| 23:05 | <Julian> | csm-laptop: Will do. |
| 23:05 | <csm-laptop> | any other business? |
| 23:05 | <Julian> | grumpy: So, what wording would you suggest? |
| 23:05 | <Julian> | csm-laptop: Just a few more minutes, please. |
| 23:05 | <csm-laptop> | okay |
| 23:05 | * | grumpy notices Julian's earlier question |
| 23:05 | <MarkK> | to bring this up again, I really think a website hosted on pobox.com would have to be under control of ppl we selected (without an overriding voice of meng); otherwise we are equally 'worse' off. Agreed? |
| 23:05 | <grumpy> | Julian: Uh, I dunno. |
| 23:05 | <Julian> | MarkK: Agreed. |
| 23:06 | <Julian> | Let me think about it for 90s. |
| 23:06 | <Julian> | grumpy: Let me think about it for 90s. |
| 23:06 | <Julian> | s/reactionaries/conservatives/? But that would kinda be redundant, then... |
| 23:06 | <grumpy> | web hosting sites are pretty cheap. I also think that Shevek may be able to provide one |
| 23:06 | <csm-laptop> | MarkK: I said this a little bit ago: |
| 23:06 | <csm-laptop> | <csm-laptop> but given that he's volunteering to host it ... I mean what's the problem as long as we have editorial access? |
| 23:07 | <Julian> | s/reactionaries/conservatives/? But that would kinda be redundant, then... |
| 23:07 | <grumpy> | I don't have a problem with it being hosted with Meng... |
| 23:07 | <MarkK> | csm: it is a matter of trust, really; we will need his word, so to speak, he will not put, say, unwanted sender-id statements on it. :) |
| 23:07 | <grumpy> | Julian: maybe take the whole phrase out? Yakov wrote a really good, long article about the problems with MARID, he knows as well as anyone... |
| 23:07 | <Julian> | "ultra conservatives", perhaps. |
| 23:08 | <MarkK> | grumpy: me neither |
| 23:08 | <Julian> | MarkK: Well, substantial edits to the website would have to be approved by a majority of the council anyway. |
| 23:09 | * | grumpy will vote against flash.... |
| 23:09 | <grumpy> | (and MIDI) |
| 23:10 | <csm-laptop> | okay so what else do we have for today's meeting? |
| 23:10 | <MarkK> | flash way cool; it also means certain ppl will not be able to load it; we need a site accessible by pretty much everyone |
| 23:10 | <Julian> | Well, I'd like to point to the text of Yakov's question #4. |
| 23:11 | <Julian> | "[...] Is there anything you can share with us about that?" |
| 23:11 | <grumpy> | I have not heard boo from the IETF |
| 23:11 | <Julian> | I think he likes us to give a statement on MARID from _our_ perspective. |
| 23:11 | <grumpy> | I have no idea if the directorate has been set up yet. |