This is the recent traffic on the #SPF-council IRC channel on irc.pobox.com. Anyone may join the channel, but only council members can talk.
If you do not have access to IRC, you may view the recent traffic at: http://www.schlitt.net/spf/spf-council/now/irc_log.html.
This log can be can be viewed at: http://www.schlitt.net/spf/spf-council/2005/06/09_irc_log.html.
IRC nicknames:
| csm | Chuck Mead |
| freeside | Meng Weng Wong |
| grumpy | Wayne Schlitt |
| Julian | Julian Mehnle |
| MarkK | Mark Kramer (asarian-host.net) |
| --- Wed Jun 8 19:48:13 UTC 2005 --- | ||
| 19:48 | <Julian> | freeside: ping |
| 19:51 | <Julian> | Perhaps we should put up an ultimatum for Meng to suggest, before Friday, two or three possible meeting dates within the next week. |
| 19:52 | <Julian> | Or we should switch to discussing and deciding issues on the spf-council mailing list. |
| 19:52 | <Julian> | (...instead of on #spf-council on IRC.) |
| 20:03 | <grumpy> | I *REALLY* don't like giving ultimatums. |
| 20:03 | <grumpy> | that is almost never productive. |
| 20:03 | <grumpy> | OTOH, I don't know what else to do. |
| 20:03 | <grumpy> | as far as switching from #spf-council to spf-council, it isn't like freeside posts to spf-council either. |
| 20:04 | <grumpy> | I want to see freeside re-engage. I don't want to see freeside go. |
| 20:05 | <grumpy> | but it is looking an awful lot like freeside has already gone. |
| 20:05 | <Julian> | I don't like ultimatums either. But somehow it seems Meng doesn't want to respond... |
| 20:06 | <Julian> | freeside: Are you hearing us? We don't want you to be gone!! |
| 20:06 | <grumpy> | It really looks like Meng is actively attempting to hurt the SPF project by preventing any forward progress |
| 20:06 | <grumpy> | Julian: agreed. |
| 20:07 | <csm-laptop> | as it happens I am not lecturing at the moment... where is Mark? |
| 20:07 | <csm-laptop> | is he on vacation? |
| 20:07 | <grumpy> | MarkK usually doesn't stay on IRC |
| 20:07 | <grumpy> | no, that is next week. |
| 20:07 | <grumpy> | we *might* be able to contact MarkK via email |
| 20:07 | <csm-laptop> | ah well is he expected this evening? |
| 20:08 | <grumpy> | Well, according to the last message I saw from him, he didn't know what was up. |
| 20:09 | <grumpy> | Ok, here is the problem: A few minutes ago, my ex-wife called up and gave me the option to see my kids this afternoon. |
| 20:09 | <grumpy> | I took it. |
| 20:09 | <grumpy> | this means I will be leaving in about 10 minutes and will be unavailable at all until 16:00 CST (21:00 UTC?) |
| 20:10 | <grumpy> | how much time I will have for a meeting is hard to say. |
| 20:10 | <grumpy> | but, really, the meeting should be pretty short. |
| 20:11 | <grumpy> | (if meng shows up. There isn't any reason to hold a meeting if he doesn't, since all the important agenda items depend on him.) |
| 20:11 | <csm-laptop> | well I may or may not be lecturing |
| 20:11 | <grumpy> | understood |
| 20:11 | <Julian> | Guys, we need to uphold the 24h advance notice rule. |
| 20:12 | <Julian> | Or at least, we really _should_. |
| 20:12 | <grumpy> | true |
| 20:12 | <Julian> | I'm not really comfortable with such an opportunistic date planning. |
| 20:12 | <Julian> | I have seen it to fail too many times in my life. |
| 20:12 | <grumpy> | but we can't give 24h advance notice because we don't know if freeside will ever show up again. |
| 20:13 | <Julian> | Yes, we do have a somewhat exceptional situation, I know. |
| 20:13 | <grumpy> | ok, well I need to leave in a few minutes and I have quite a bit to do before I leave |
| 20:14 | <grumpy> | so I'll be back as soon as a I can, but it will likely not be until 16:00 CST |
| 20:14 | <grumpy> | bbl |
| 20:15 | <Julian> | I'll be here until about 22:00 UTC, but not much longer. |
| 21:02 | * | grumpy pokes his head in |
| 21:02 | <grumpy> | any news? |
| 21:05 | <grumpy> | I'm going to switch laptops.... I'll be back in just a few minutes |
| 21:06 | <grumpy> | back |
| 21:06 | <grumpy> | hi Mark |
| 21:07 | <MarkK> | good evening |
| 21:07 | <grumpy> | you should review the IRC logs |
| 21:07 | <MarkK> | Are they present yet? |
| 21:09 | <grumpy> | there is always the current logs at <mumble> |
| 21:09 | <grumpy> | http://www.schlitt.net/spf/spf-council/now/ ? |
| 21:09 | <grumpy> | or something |
| 21:09 | <MarkK> | yes, I just read them. :) |
| 21:10 | <grumpy> | ok |
| 21:10 | <MarkK> | (I had to find the URL again) |
| 21:10 | <grumpy> | Ok, well you now know about as much as I do. |
| 21:11 | <grumpy> | Julian said he would be here, but csm may be lecturing right now |
| 21:11 | <grumpy> | and who knows about freeside |
| 21:11 | <MarkK> | I saw you were here an hour earlier, wayne; did we say we would meet at 20:00 UTC? I do not recall that. |
| 21:12 | <grumpy> | I don't think any meeting has been officially planned. |
| 21:12 | <grumpy> | we have kind of been waiting on feedback from freeside |
| 21:13 | <MarkK> | Regarding the IRC log, I just send a wee note on the meeting attendance issue |
| 21:13 | <MarkK> | sent, even |
| 21:13 | <MarkK> | Yes, almost all these issues require Meng's presence |
| 21:14 | <MarkK> | (the ones on your agenda, I mean) |
| 21:14 | <grumpy> | ok, I'm trying to read your email... As I mentioned earlier, I'm over at my ex-wife's house with my kids |
| 21:14 | <MarkK> | Yes, I saw; glad you showed up anyway. :) |
| 21:15 | <grumpy> | yeah |
| 21:16 | <grumpy> | Well, csm *did* say he couldn't be available until an hour and a half from now |