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| --- Sun Jun 19 17:14:19 UTC 2005 --- |
| 17:14 | <grumpy> | Ok, I *think* I've configured all council members to be listowners of all spf-related mailing lists on listbox.com |
| 17:14 | <grumpy> | as per the discussion in the last meeting. |
| --- Fri Jul 1 19:26:20 UTC 2005 --- |
| 19:26 | <csm-laptop> | Julian had asked for a meeting this weekend or next week. I am 100% unavailable for either. |
| --- Sun Jul 3 11:13:02 UTC 2005 --- |
| 11:13 | <Julian> | We really need a meeting soon. |
| --- Fri Jul 8 23:02:09 UTC 2005 --- |
| 23:02 | <Julian> | Next council meeting: Sunday 2005-07-10 18:00 UTC (1:00 PM EST, 20:00 CEST) |
| --- Sun Jul 10 16:40:12 UTC 2005 --- |
| 16:40 | <grumpy> | re: channel topic: The meeting was moved to 19:00 UTC, right? |
| 16:40 | <grumpy> | e.g. in about two hours? |
| 16:49 | <Julian> | Yes. |
| 17:49 | <freeside> | moo. |
| 18:02 | <freeside> | moo. |
| 18:02 | * | freeside goes to make a nice cup of tea. |
| 18:03 | <grumpy> | t-1hr.. |
| 18:07 | <freeside> | huh. |
| 18:07 | <freeside> | it's 2pm eastern here. |
| 18:07 | <freeside> | huh. |
| 18:08 | <freeside> | aren't GMT and UTC the same? |
| 18:08 | <freeside> | so weird. |
| 18:09 | <freeside> | i have the meeting in my calendar as 7pm GMT. |
| 18:09 | <Julian> | gray:~> TZ=GMT date |
| 18:09 | <Julian> | Sun Jul 10 18:09:05 GMT 2005 |
| 18:09 | <Julian> | gray:~> TZ=UTC date |
| 18:09 | <Julian> | Sun Jul 10 18:09:09 UTC 2005 |
| 18:09 | <freeside> | maybe apple got the timezones wrong. |
| 18:09 | <freeside> | bizarre. |
| 18:10 | <freeside> | 7pm europe/london shows up in my schedule as 2pm us/eastern. |
| 18:10 | <Julian> | freeside: Does that mean you won't be available in 50min? |
| 18:10 | <freeside> | i'll be available in 50m. |
| 18:10 | <Julian> | Europe/London is UTC+1 currently, due to daylight saving time. |
| 18:12 | <freeside> | ah. |
| 18:12 | <freeside> | you know, that's very confusing. |
| 18:13 | <Julian> | Yeah. :) |
| 18:13 | <freeside> | i need to find a time zone that's just utc. |
| 18:13 | <freeside> | so london is 1 hour away from greenwich? |
| 18:14 | <Julian> | No. But neither UTC nor GMT include daylight saving time. |
| 18:14 | <grumpy> | IIRC, the difference between UTC and GMT involves leap seconds. |
| 18:15 | <grumpy> | and the french. |
| 18:15 | <grumpy> | I noticed that Julian changed the TZ on the SPF box to be UTC. |
| 18:15 | <grumpy> | confused the heck out of me at first. |
| 18:15 | <Julian> | grumpy: Did I??? |
| 18:15 | <grumpy> | I think so. |
| 18:15 | <Julian> | grumpy: I don't think I did. |
| 18:15 | <grumpy> | Hmmm.. |
| 18:15 | <grumpy> | ok |
| 18:15 | <Julian> | If I did, it must have been an accident. |
| 18:16 | <grumpy> | I don't think *I* set it up as UTC since the box was originally intended for something else. |
| 18:16 | <grumpy> | not a problem, and I really can't think of a better TZ for it to have. |
| 18:16 | <Julian> | grumpy: What indications make you think earbone runs in UTC? |
| 18:16 | <grumpy> | "echo $TZ" |
| 18:17 | <grumpy> | and, `date` |
| 18:17 | <grumpy> | maybe it is my my account. |
| 18:17 | <Julian> | earbone:~> sudo su - root |
| 18:17 | <Julian> | (root@earbone) # echo $TZ |
| 18:17 | <Julian> | (root@earbone) # |
| 18:17 | <freeside> | mmm |
| 18:18 | <Julian> | earbone:~> cat /etc/timezone |
| 18:18 | <Julian> | US/Central |
| 18:18 | * | Julian is innocent. :-) |
| 18:19 | <grumpy> | Hmmm |
| 18:19 | <grumpy> | Ok, we should probably change it to UTC then. |
| 18:19 | <grumpy> | ;-) |
| 18:22 | <freeside> | i need to upload a revised SPF whitepaper. |
| 18:22 | <freeside> | the maawg guys want me to remove the maawg name from spf.pobox.com/whitepaper.pdf. |
| 18:23 | * | freeside boots Adobe inDesign. |
| 18:24 | <Julian> | freeside: They do?? |
| 18:26 | <freeside> | yeah, i don't know why |
| 18:26 | <freeside> | apparently they got some complaints and feedback. |
| 18:26 | <freeside> | probably from crocker and doug otis. |
| 18:26 | <freeside> | i don't know though. |
| 18:26 | <freeside> | so it doesn't accurately reflect maawg's position on various things. |
| 18:27 | <Julian> | MAAWG has an official position? Where can I read about that? |
| 18:27 | <freeside> | not in the white paper, at any rate |
| 18:57 | <grumpy> | ya know, making BBQ ribs for lunch right before an IRC meeting might not have been the brights thing to do. |
| 18:58 | * | grumpy types with his two clean pinkies |
| 18:58 | <grumpy> | t-2min? |
| 18:58 | <freeside> | mmm |
| 19:00 | <grumpy> | hey MarkK |
| 19:00 | <MarkK> | good evening |
| 19:00 | <grumpy> | Julian: are you around? |
| 19:00 | * | Julian eats a sliced apple. |
| 19:00 | <Julian> | But yes, I'm around. |
| 19:00 | <grumpy> | Ok, well, we have a quorum |
| 19:01 | <grumpy> | I think the first thing we need to do is decide on what to do with Chuck's resignation. We can accept it, reject it, do something else, but we certainly need to acknowledge it. |
| 19:01 | <MarkK> | does the absence of chuck mean he won't be joining us tonight? Or did he retract his resignation? |
| 19:01 | <Julian> | Does anyone think Chuck will show up? |
| 19:01 | <grumpy> | and that kind of leads to the next point, should we wait for chuck? |
| 19:01 | <grumpy> | I do not think chuck will show up. |
| 19:01 | <freeside> | mmm. |
| 19:01 | <Julian> | I do not think so either. |
| 19:02 | <Julian> | I have an agenda prepared. |
| 19:02 | <grumpy> | MarkK? freeside? |
| 19:02 | <freeside> | i have uploaded a new whitepaper.pdf to earbone:~meng/whitepaper.pdf, can someone please move that over into the http://spf.pobox.com/whitepaper.pdf site? |
| 19:02 | <Julian> | freeside: Yes... |
| 19:02 | <grumpy> | freeside: you should have root and webmaster privs |
| 19:02 | <MarkK> | I saw the agenda items posted, wayne |
| 19:02 | <grumpy> | if not, we need to fix that. |
| 19:03 | <Julian> | earbone:~> cp /home/meng/whitepaper.pdf /srv/www/spf-temp/ |
| 19:03 | <Julian> | cp: overwrite `/srv/www/spf-temp/whitepaper.pdf'? y |
| 19:03 | <grumpy> | MarkK: I think Julian has an updated agenda.... |
| 19:03 | <Julian> | I will post the agenda as soon as everyone agrees that Chuck will not show up. |
| 19:04 | <grumpy> | Ok, MarkK? freeside? do you want to wait for chuck? |
| 19:04 | <MarkK> | I thunk it is a safe bet he will be a no-show |
| 19:04 | <grumpy> | freeside? |
| 19:05 | <MarkK> | That is, I would be real surprised if he suddenly showed up as if nothing happened. |
| 19:05 | <freeside> | let's go ahead. |
| 19:05 | <Julian> | Ok, mompls. |
| 19:05 | <mompls> | OK. |
| 19:05 | <grumpy> | heh |
| 19:07 | <Julian> | Any amendments to the agenda? |
| 19:07 | <freeside> | nope |
| 19:07 | <Julian> | freeside: You're the vice chair. :-) |
| 19:08 | <MarkK> | I am ok with the agenda |
| 19:08 | <Julian> | Or does grumpy want to assume the role of vice chair for today? |
| 19:09 | * | grumpy 's network connection returns |
| 19:09 | <grumpy> | I can do the chair stuff. |
| 19:09 | <freeside> | sorry, had to take a phone call. |
| 19:09 | <grumpy> | Ok, if no one objects, let's get the ball rolling. |
| 19:10 | <freeside> | $ball->roll(); |
| 19:10 | <grumpy> | item 1: deal with chuck's resignation. |
| 19:10 | <grumpy> | motion: I propose we accept Chuck's resignation. |
| 19:10 | <grumpy> | discussion? |
| 19:10 | <freeside> | okey doke. |
| 19:10 | <Julian> | 1910u: seconded |
| 19:10 | <freeside> | did chuck have any comments before his resignation that we should be aware of? |
| 19:11 | <grumpy> | There was a little bit posted to spf-discuss |
| 19:11 | <grumpy> | and the trigger happend on #spf |
| 19:11 | <grumpy> | I'm pretty sure I sent the #spf stuff to spf-private |
| 19:12 | <MarkK> | yes, you did |
| 19:12 | <freeside> | okay, well, that's a shame, but i guess we'll just have to accept it and move on. |
| 19:12 | <Julian> | See item #6 for extended discussion and stuff. |
| 19:13 | <freeside> | ok. |
| 19:13 | <grumpy> | Ok, we have a second, |
| 19:13 | <grumpy> | votes? |
| 19:13 | <Julian> | 1910u: yes |
| 19:13 | <MarkK> | 1910u: yes |
| 19:13 | <freeside> | 1910u: yes |
| 19:13 | <grumpy> | motion carried |
| 19:13 | <grumpy> | ok, on to item 2 |
| 19:13 | <grumpy> | ed report |
| 19:13 | <grumpy> | Meng? |
| 19:14 | <freeside> | right. |
| 19:14 | <freeside> | so, since the last time we met, i went to maawg and got to hang out with julian and shevek |
| 19:14 | <freeside> | beers were had |
| 19:14 | <freeside> | good relations were established with european folks from spamhaus. |
| 19:14 | <freeside> | jerome lecat from bizanga. |
| 19:14 | <freeside> | julian presented to maawg. |
| 19:15 | <Julian> | freeside: Have you read my report? |
| 19:15 | <freeside> | i then proceeded to toronto to yapc, and gave a short update on spf to the crowd of about 400 perl geeks. |
| 19:15 | <freeside> | next week i will be in new york for the email authentication summit. |
| 19:15 | <freeside> | for the two weeks after that, i will be in japan on vacation with family. |
| 19:16 | <freeside> | the week after that i will be in portland for oscon where i hope to hold a bof covering spf and reputation and whatnot. |
| 19:16 | <freeside> | so i may have spotty connectivity for the next 4 weeks. i hope i can make meetings but we may have to reschedule due to time zones. |
| 19:16 | <grumpy> | (I don't think we can do Wed, due to travel...) |
| 19:17 | <freeside> | that's my report. |
| 19:17 | <grumpy> | Julian: I read the report and I appreciate the writeup |
| 19:17 | <Julian> | Ok, I suggest that Meng proposes meeting dates during the next four weeks. |
| 19:17 | <freeside> | ok. |
| 19:17 | <grumpy> | any questions for the ED? |
| 19:17 | <grumpy> | if so, type "..." quickly |
| 19:18 | <grumpy> | Ok, I guess on to item 3: select a project property trustee |
| 19:18 | <Julian> | None from me. |
| 19:18 | <freeside> | yes, i've seen your report, thanks for writing that up |
| 19:18 | <freeside> | next ... |
| 19:18 | <grumpy> | So, we need someone who can hold things like domain names and such. |
| 19:19 | <Julian> | Motion: Appoint Wayne as the project's property trustee. |
| 19:19 | <grumpy> | we are probably talking about a few hundred dollars worth of stuff tops, if you include the "SPF box" |
| 19:19 | <MarkK> | Is it really necessary to have a third party be the property manager? I am happy with wayne |
| 19:19 | <Julian> | I don't think the box itself can be considered project property. |
| 19:19 | <grumpy> | Ok, so we are talking about a few dozen dollars. |
| 19:20 | <Julian> | Probably, yes. |
| 19:20 | <grumpy> | I'm willing to do it, but I'm sure tohers are just as good |
| 19:20 | <Julian> | I think you are very trustworthy. |
| 19:20 | <freeside> | agreed |
| 19:20 | <MarkK> | yes |
| 19:20 | <grumpy> | Bah, that's what forwarders think. ;-) |
| 19:20 | <grumpy> | ok, seconds on the motion? |
| 19:21 | <grumpy> | or motions for someone else? |
| 19:21 | <grumpy> | (that would be 1919u) |
| 19:21 | <freeside> | 1919u: yes |
| 19:21 | <grumpy> | freeside: is that a second? |
| 19:21 | <freeside> | yes |
| 19:21 | <grumpy> | ok |
| 19:21 | <grumpy> | votes? |
| 19:21 | <Julian> | 1919u: yes |
| 19:22 | <MarkK> | 1919u: yes |
| 19:22 | <grumpy> | 1919u: yea |
| 19:22 | <grumpy> | motion carried |
| 19:22 | <grumpy> | next item: 4) select a project domain name |
| 19:22 | <grumpy> | Julian: please take over |
| 19:23 | <Julian> | ... |
| 19:23 | <MarkK> | I thought we went for openspf.org? (James willing) |
| 19:23 | <grumpy> | Oh, in cased anyone missed it, James *did* show up last night |
| 19:23 | <grumpy> | and James *did* renew openspf.org |
| 19:23 | <grumpy> | (I guess that no longer needs to be kept a secret) |
| 19:24 | <freeside> | hey, guys, i need to step away for about 10 minutes |
| 19:24 | <grumpy> | hmmm |
| 19:24 | <freeside> | i'm for openspf.{whatever} |
| 19:24 | <freeside> | i'm for any of the webmasters too |
| 19:24 | <grumpy> | Ok, we can still discuss things, but no motions |
| 19:24 | <freeside> | michael weiner would be fine by me |
| 19:24 | <freeside> | re moving the mailing lists, i suggest listbox.com same as all the others, i can set those up. |
| 19:24 | <Julian> | Ok, taking over. |
| 19:24 | <freeside> | i should be back for 8 and 9. |
| 19:25 | * | freeside & |
| 19:25 | <grumpy> | Hmmm... I knew we should have moved item 6 up to 2... |
| 19:25 | <Julian> | The domains vote was only about the second-level domain(s), so we need to decide on the TLDs. |
| 19:26 | <Julian> | Based on the assumption that openspf.org and openspf.com are available to the project, we should declare those official. |
| 19:26 | <Julian> | grumpy: What's the latest development on openspf.org? |
| 19:27 | <Julian> | Did you talk to James again? |
| 19:28 | <MarkK> | last time I heard james said he would be willing to transfer after renewing himself |
| 19:28 | <grumpy> | I sent email last night to spf-private |
| 19:28 | <Julian> | There's a difference between renewing a domain and re-registering it after it has expired. |
| 19:28 | <grumpy> | I noticed this morning that James did renew openspf.org |
| 19:28 | <Julian> | Re-registering blocks you from transferring the domain for 90 days or so. |
| 19:29 | <MarkK> | yes, I saw that convo; therefore, I believe, James agreed to renew |
| 19:29 | <grumpy> | my preferences for TLDs is .org > .info > .net >> .com >>>> everything else |
| 19:29 | <Julian> | So, can we reasonably expect that openspf.org will get transferred to Wayne? |
| 19:29 | <grumpy> | I think so |
| 19:30 | <Julian> | What about openspf.com? (I'm sure William is going to transfer it, but what do _you_ think?) |
| 19:30 | <grumpy> | I think so |
| 19:30 | <Julian> | We could register openspf.info, too. |
| 19:30 | <grumpy> | I think pinks already has .info |
| 19:31 | <Julian> | s/William/John/ |
| 19:31 | <Julian> | Uhm, yes, John has .info, too. |
| 19:31 | <grumpy> | Ok, then I know JohnP will tranfer. |
| 19:31 | <Julian> | I don't think we should maintain more than two TLDs, though. |
| 19:31 | <grumpy> | I'm willing to pay for more. |
| 19:32 | <Julian> | The problem is a different one. |
| 19:32 | <grumpy> | I've paid for more to protect my other, less important, domain names |
| 19:32 | <MarkK> | godaddy registration is dirt-cheap these days |
| 19:32 | <grumpy> | and prices should go down soon now that the ICANN registar contract has been finished up. |
| 19:32 | <grumpy> | Julian: what is the other problem? |
| 19:32 | * | grumpy doesn't see a downside |
| 19:32 | <Julian> | We can hold a lot of domain names, but only a few should be official, because otherwise, people will link to a lot of different domains, and then we'll _have_ to hold on all of them for a very long time. |
| 19:33 | <grumpy> | oh |
| 19:33 | <Julian> | See? :-) |
| 19:33 | <grumpy> | Uh, I think only *one* should be official and the rest will have to be redirected. |
| 19:33 | <MarkK> | yes |
| 19:33 | <grumpy> | at least that has always been my plan. |
| 19:33 | <Julian> | Anyway, which one(s) shall be official? I proposed openspf.{org,com}. |
| 19:33 | <MarkK> | I propose .org |
| 19:34 | <MarkK> | I prefer, I should say |
| 19:34 | <Julian> | One day, there may be some use for differentiating between .org and .com. |
| 19:34 | <Julian> | ...and then having both be official might be good. |
| 19:34 | <grumpy> | fyi; pinks just said that he *would* transfer the .com/.info domains |
| 19:34 | <MarkK> | like sendmail.org and sendmail.com? |
| 19:34 | <Julian> | But I can live with just .org, too. |
| 19:35 | <Julian> | MarkK: Yes, for example. |
| 19:35 | <MarkK> | I knew we could count of JohnP. :) |
| 19:35 | <Julian> | (I think Meng's 10min are over.) |
| 19:36 | <grumpy> | yeah |
| 19:36 | <Julian> | er, freeside. |
| 19:37 | <Julian> | grumpy: What do you think wrt .org/.com/...? |
| 19:37 | <Julian> | Just .org? |
| 19:37 | <grumpy> | for right now, just .org |
| 19:37 | <grumpy> | but keep the whole set for at least a year. |
| 19:38 | <Julian> | So, we declare openspf.org official, but maintain .com and .info as project assets? |
| 19:38 | <MarkK> | I think we should definitely keep .com, in case someone wants to capatalize on spf with a commercial site |
| 19:38 | <Julian> | MarkK: Yeah, right. |
| 19:39 | <freeside> | hrrk |
| 19:39 | <freeside> | i'm back. |
| 19:39 | <freeside> | openspf.org sounds good to me. |
| 19:39 | <grumpy> | hi Meng! |
| 19:39 | <Julian> | Cool. |
| 19:39 | <Julian> | grumpy: Any final comments before I make the motion? |
| 19:40 | <grumpy> | motion: adopt openspf.org as the official domain name, maintaing all others for up to a year and then decide which ones we want to keep. |
| 19:40 | * | grumpy reads Julians comment |
| 19:40 | <grumpy> | uh, no. |
| 19:40 | <Julian> | 1940: seconded |
| 19:40 | <Julian> | 1940u: seconded |
| 19:40 | <grumpy> | votes? |
| 19:40 | <freeside> | 1940u: yes |
| 19:40 | <Julian> | 1940u: yes |
| 19:40 | <MarkK> | 1940u: yes |
| 19:40 | <grumpy> | motion carried |
| 19:41 | <grumpy> | next item: 5) webmaster |
| 19:41 | <grumpy> | I'm fine with any of the three listed folks. |
| 19:41 | <Julian> | Any comments before I put the motion forward? |
| 19:41 | <grumpy> | has Michael confirmed that he is willing? |
| 19:41 | <MarkK> | Michael Weiner sounds ok to me, though I know little about him, really |
| 19:42 | <Julian> | I haven't asked him. He volunteered, so I conclude he is willing. |
| 19:43 | <freeside> | appoint 'em all |
| 19:43 | <grumpy> | oh, I must have missed his volunteer note. |
| 19:43 | <Julian> | Chuck has recommended Michael. |
| 19:43 | <grumpy> | Do we want to appoint them all? |
| 19:43 | <grumpy> | Frankly, I don't have time to deal with the website. |
| 19:43 | <Julian> | Not for now, I suggest. |
| 19:44 | <grumpy> | ok, I'm ready for Julian to make a motion |
| 19:44 | <Julian> | We need the website to be under somewhat tight control. We can have a lot of people creating content, but only one or two should be actual webmasters. I already said I would act as the second webmaster for now. |
| 19:44 | <grumpy> | yep. |
| 19:44 | <Julian> | Motion: Approve Michael Weiner as the webmaster. |
| 19:44 | <MarkK> | I suggest we oppoint 1 now, and reserve the possibility to add those other two later, should the workload be too much (JohnP said he volunteered in that capacity anyway). |
| 19:44 | <Julian> | MarkK: Exactly. |
| 19:44 | <grumpy> | 1944u: seconded |
| 19:44 | <grumpy> | votes? |
| 19:45 | <Julian> | 1944u: yes |
| 19:45 | <MarkK> | 1944u: yes |
| 19:45 | <grumpy> | meng? |
| 19:45 | <grumpy> | 1944u: yes |
| 19:45 | * | grumpy hopes we still have a quorum |
| 19:45 | <grumpy> | motion carried |
| 19:46 | <Julian> | (BTW, there will be a publicly editable sub-section of the website. People will be able to edit stuff there before it is moved to the official parts.) |
| 19:46 | <grumpy> | next item: 6 discuss csm's resignation and how to fill it. |
| 19:46 | <Julian> | quorum_check(freeside); |
| 19:46 | <Julian> | Uhm, ok... |
| 19:46 | <Julian> | Let's just pretend we had a quorum. |
| 19:47 | <freeside> | i'm here, sorry. |
| 19:47 | <grumpy> | ok |
| 19:47 | <freeside> | i'm on dialup now so am very laggy. |
| 19:47 | <freeside> | i had 22 second lag the other day. |
| 19:47 | <Julian> | Ok, so we had a quorum, everythings fine. |
| 19:47 | <freeside> | if lag gets much worse, the internet will become a great place to store data. |
| 19:48 | <Julian> | Ok, I'm somewhat disappointed in Chuck resigning so suddenly. |
| 19:48 | <freeside> | i propose we move the role of chair to an existing council member. |
| 19:48 | <grumpy> | Well, he was close to resigning a while back. |
| 19:48 | <MarkK> | that is understating it |
| 19:48 | <freeside> | furthermore, i propose we appoint a new member to the council whose term shall run until the next set of elections. |
| 19:48 | <Julian> | He could at least have warned us about his decision a week or two in advance. |
| 19:49 | <grumpy> | should we just move down the list of candidates from the last election? |
| 19:49 | <Julian> | freeside: Those are both good suggestions. |
| 19:49 | <Julian> | Yes, I think so. |
| 19:49 | <grumpy> | Julian: agreed. But, there is nothing we can do about it now. |
| 19:49 | <MarkK> | I still do not get it; I read the log, saew a lot of the f-word flying, and then chuck resigned |
| 19:49 | <Julian> | That would be Greg Connor, IIRC. |
| 19:49 | <freeside> | tag! greg is it! |
| 19:50 | <grumpy> | Ok, Greg Connor is out in CA. I have "friends" that can "discuss" this with him, if he is "reluctant". ;-) |
| 19:50 | <Julian> | Heh. |
| 19:50 | <Julian> | Motion: We ask Greg Connor to join the council. |
| 19:50 | <grumpy> | (actually, I dunno if anyone saw the /. story about SGI, but gconnor might have higher priority things to do right now.) |
| 19:50 | <grumpy> | Amendment: |
| 19:51 | <grumpy> | We should ask the top two (three?) candidates in order, if the want to join the council. |
| 19:51 | <Julian> | Ok. |
| 19:51 | <grumpy> | if none of the top three say yes, then we hold a pop election to fill the positions until the end of the terms. |
| 19:51 | <freeside> | does gconnor live there generally? |
| 19:52 | <grumpy> | freeside: ? |
| 19:52 | <grumpy> | Julian would you like to make a new motion? |
| 19:52 | <Julian> | Motion: We sequentially ask Greg Connor, William Leibzon, and Stephane Bortzmeyer -- in that order -- to join the council. If none of them accepts, then we hold a pop election to fill the positions. Any newly filled positions shall last until the regular end of the current term. |
| 19:53 | <grumpy> | "nevermind!" |
| 19:53 | <grumpy> | seconds? |
| 19:53 | <MarkK> | 1949u: seconded |
| 19:53 | <grumpy> | votes? |
| 19:53 | <Julian> | 1949u: yes |
| 19:53 | <freeside> | in CA, i mean. |
| 19:53 | <freeside> | is he based there. |
| 19:53 | <MarkK> | 1949u: yes |
| 19:53 | <grumpy> | freeside: yeah, he has lived there for a while, IIRC. just bought a house last year |
| 19:53 | <freeside> | i second the amended motion: foreach $candidate (@candidates[0..2]) { last if ask($candidate) == "yes" } |
| 19:53 | <Julian> | Heh. |
| 19:53 | <freeside> | 1949u: yes |
| 19:54 | <grumpy> | motion carried |
| 19:54 | <grumpy> | Ok, should we elect a new chair now? |
| 19:54 | <Julian> | Fine. |
| 19:54 | <grumpy> | or wait? |
| 19:54 | <freeside> | sorry, i'm lagged. |
| 19:54 | <grumpy> | or appoint an acting chair? |
| 19:54 | <Julian> | Yes, I think we should elect a new chair. |
| 19:54 | <Julian> | Let's try this: ... |
| 19:54 | <Julian> | Motion: Wayne shall be the new council chair. |
| 19:54 | <MarkK> | In all fairness, I think the most correct thing to do is to wait until we are full numbers again before we select a new chair |
| 19:55 | <Julian> | MarkK: Perhaps... yeah. |
| 19:55 | <grumpy> | I think it would be appropriate to elect an acting chair |
| 19:55 | <Julian> | Motion: Wayne shall be the acting council chair until a new chair is elected by the council. |
| 19:55 | <MarkK> | 1952u: seconded |
| 19:55 | <grumpy> | 1952u? |
| 19:55 | <freeside> | 1952u: yes |
| 19:56 | <grumpy> | wait |
| 19:56 | <MarkK> | 1952u: yes |
| 19:56 | <Julian> | MarkK: Sure you didn't mean 1955u? |
| 19:56 | <Julian> | 1952u has already been voted on. |
| 19:56 | <grumpy> | Uh, I think MarkK's time is off |
| 19:56 | <MarkK> | darn clock is a bit off here at my dad's place |
| 19:56 | <grumpy> | 1952u was actually the webmaster motion |
| 19:56 | <grumpy> | but MarkK said 1949u for that one. |
| 19:57 | <Julian> | Anyone second 1955u? |
| 19:57 | <freeside> | i vote yes for whatever. |
| 19:57 | <freeside> | 1952u: yes |
| 19:57 | <Julian> | Guys... *sigh* |
| 19:57 | <grumpy> | I would vote no for 1952u, but yes for 1955u |
| 19:57 | <Julian> | WTF? |
| 19:58 | <MarkK> | Ok, now my brain hurts |
| 19:58 | <grumpy> | Oh, wait, I mean I'd vote no for 1954u |
| 19:58 | <Julian> | LOL |
| 19:58 | <grumpy> | ok |
| 19:58 | <freeside> | hehe |
| 19:58 | <Julian> | Anyone second 1955u? |
| 19:58 | <MarkK> | 1955u: seconded |
| 19:58 | <grumpy> | 1954u: Motion: Wayne shall be the new council chair. 1955u Motion: Wayne shall be the acting council chair until a new chair is elected by the council. |
| 19:59 | <MarkK> | yes, I mean to second the second |
| 19:59 | <grumpy> | votes on 1955u? |
| 19:59 | <Julian> | 1955u: yes |
| 19:59 | <MarkK> | 1955u: yes |
| 19:59 | <grumpy> | freeside? |
| 20:00 | * | grumpy waits for the bits to circle the moon and return to freeside's computer... |
| 20:00 | <freeside> | 1955u: yes |
| 20:00 | <freeside> | mmph |
| 20:00 | * | freeside makes muffled sounds. |
| 20:01 | * | grumpy 's network connection returns |
| 20:01 | <grumpy> | uh, motion carried |
| 20:01 | <grumpy> | anything else we need to discuss on item 6) csm's resignation? |
| 20:01 | <grumpy> | if so, type ... soon |
| 20:01 | <Julian> | ... |
| 20:01 | <MarkK> | ... |
| 20:02 | <freeside> | ... |
| 20:02 | * | grumpy feels left out... |
| 20:02 | <Julian> | !!! |
| 20:03 | <grumpy> | Julian: I thought you were typing... |
| 20:03 | * | Julian retracts his ... |
| 20:03 | <MarkK> | I propose a motion where we expressly state that each Council member shall commit himself to giving, say, at least 3 weeks notice before resigning. |
| 20:04 | <grumpy> | I could live with that. |
| 20:04 | <freeside> | that's not really enforceable. |
| 20:04 | <grumpy> | although 2 weeks is more typical in the US. |
| 20:04 | <MarkK> | Just as a courtesy to the others |
| 20:04 | <Julian> | Also, Wayne has proposed that ex-council-members get granted a special rank. |
| 20:04 | <grumpy> | freeside: has a point... |
| 20:04 | <MarkK> | grumpy: I can live with that too |
| 20:05 | <grumpy> | I think common courtesy is that people will give as much notice for transition and such as possible |
| 20:05 | <Julian> | Agreed. |
| 20:05 | <MarkK> | freeside: that is why I said 'shall commit themselves to', as a gentlemen's agreement |
| 20:05 | <grumpy> | and freeside is right, we can't force that. |
| 20:05 | <freeside> | okay, we can write that down wherever the other things related to councils are written down. |
| 20:06 | <Julian> | freeside: That's here: http://www.google.com/search?q=spf+council |
| 20:06 | <MarkK> | If we make it a rule, at least it is clear when someone broke it (enforceable or not) |
| 20:06 | <grumpy> | I'm afraid I don't see the point. |
| 20:06 | <Julian> | Ok, I won't object to such a motion. Somebody table it. |
| 20:07 | <grumpy> | freeside is right. We can't enforce it at all, and that makes it pointless |
| 20:07 | <MarkK> | Motion: we expressly ask each Council member to commit himself to giving at least 2 weeks notice before resigning. |
| 20:08 | <Julian> | 2007u: seconded, so we can vote. |
| 20:08 | <grumpy> | votes? |
| 20:08 | <MarkK> | 2007u: yes |
| 20:08 | <grumpy> | freeside? julian? |
| 20:08 | <Julian> | 2007u: yes |
| 20:08 | <freeside> | 2007u: yes |
| 20:08 | * | grumpy is trying, as chair, to avoid voting unless it would make a difference. |
| 20:08 | <grumpy> | ok, motion carried |
| 20:09 | <Julian> | Also, Wayne has proposed that ex-council-members get granted a special rank. |
| 20:09 | <grumpy> | yep... |
| 20:09 | <Julian> | Do any of you think that would be useful? |
| 20:09 | <MarkK> | What do you mean by that, wayne? |
| 20:09 | <Julian> | Yes, please explain. |
| 20:10 | <grumpy> | Well, I've seen other organizations have the past-president and the second-past-president remain on the council. |
| 20:10 | <grumpy> | as a way of preserving continuity. |
| 20:10 | <Julian> | But without voting rights, I assume? |
| 20:10 | <grumpy> | sometimes these people have voting rights, sometimes it is just advisory |
| 20:10 | <grumpy> | it depends. |
| 20:10 | <Julian> | Well, if someone resigns, he should not retain voting rights. |
| 20:11 | <Julian> | s/he/they/ |
| 20:11 | <grumpy> | I tend to agree |
| 20:11 | <MarkK> | julian: agreed |
| 20:11 | <MarkK> | otherwise that person might just as well have stayed on |
| 20:11 | <grumpy> | although I could see granting things like continued posting rights to spf-council, voice on #spf-council, and continue at half pay. |
| 20:11 | <Julian> | I would object to any non-regular council members having voting rights. |
| 20:12 | <Julian> | grumpy: Yes, true. :-) |
| 20:12 | <Julian> | Especially the last part. :) |
| 20:12 | <MarkK> | grumpy: yes |
| 20:12 | <Julian> | That's a good idea. |
| 20:12 | <Julian> | How are we going to call this status? |
| 20:12 | <Julian> | Advisory Member? |
| 20:12 | <Julian> | Council Advisory Member? |
| 20:12 | <MarkK> | 'honoraree' council member? |
| 20:13 | <MarkK> | honorary, even (doh) |
| 20:13 | <grumpy> | should we give those rights to all members who resign? Or should only the ED and/or Chair get that? |
| 20:13 | <Julian> | If any, then all. |
| 20:13 | <grumpy> | ok |
| 20:13 | <MarkK> | grumpy: all, I think |
| 20:13 | <grumpy> | should there be any status after the next election? |
| 20:14 | <grumpy> | e.g., would we all become advisory council members? |
| 20:14 | <Julian> | Well, I think that's half of the point of it, isn't it? |
| 20:14 | <grumpy> | Julian: which? |
| 20:14 | <Julian> | Continuity. |
| 20:14 | <Julian> | Making use of past council members' experience. |
| 20:14 | <Julian> | Whatever. |
| 20:14 | <grumpy> | So, if the next election we get 5 new people, we would have a 10 member council? (half advisory) |
| 20:15 | <MarkK> | and 15 thereafter, etc. |
| 20:15 | <grumpy> | also, it isn't like we don't spend most of our time with our council member hats off on spf-discuss |
| 20:15 | <Julian> | grumpy: No, 5 regulars plus 5 advisory ones -- it's only 10 if those two sets don't overlap. Also, I think we could limit the advisory membership to one term. |
| 20:15 | <grumpy> | ok, I could live with that. |
| 20:16 | <Julian> | Ok, let me make a motion... |
| 20:16 | <MarkK> | grumpy: I think that sounds good |
| 20:16 | <MarkK> | (one term is plenty of transition time, methinks) |
| 20:16 | <grumpy> | yep... |
| 20:17 | <Julian> | Motion: Council members losing regular member status shall be given Advisory Member status for one election term. Advisory members shall be allowed to post on the spf-council mailing list and talk on the #spf-council IRC channel. |
| 20:17 | <grumpy> | what about spf-private? |
| 20:17 | <Julian> | No access. |
| 20:18 | <grumpy> | hmmmm... |
| 20:18 | <Julian> | The council can always choose to ask advisory members. |
| 20:18 | <grumpy> | isn't that somewhat the point of advisors? |
| 20:18 | <Julian> | Well, what about if a member gets thrown out of the council? |
| 20:18 | <MarkK> | I like something in that motion that says they have no voting rights (though that is kinda implied in the word 'advisory'; still) |
| 20:18 | <Julian> | Ok, I have an idea. Let me rephrase. |
| 20:19 | <grumpy> | I guess my thoughts is advisors are best when they tell you in private that, hey, you have toiletpaper stuck to your shoe. |
| 20:20 | <grumpy> | freeside: you typed "..." a while back. What did you want to say about the resignation? |
| 20:21 | <Julian> | Motion: Council members losing regular member status shall be given Advisory Member status for one election term. Advisory members have no voting rights, but shall be allowed full reading and posting access to the public and private council mailing lists and talk on the #spf-council IRC channel. The council can decide to deny advisory membership to specific past members. |
| 20:22 | <grumpy> | Ok, I can live with that |
| 20:22 | <grumpy> | seconds? more discussion? |
| 20:22 | <Julian> | s/allowed/granted/ |
| 20:22 | <grumpy> | MarkK? freeside? |
| 20:22 | <MarkK> | sounds good to be |
| 20:22 | <MarkK> | me, even |
| 20:23 | <grumpy> | is that a second? |
| 20:23 | <MarkK> | if I had the correct time here, yes. :) |
| 20:23 | <Julian> | It's 2021u. |
| 20:23 | <grumpy> | that would be 1521u seconded by MarkK |
| 20:23 | <grumpy> | ok, votes? |
| 20:23 | <MarkK> | 2021u: seconded |
| 20:23 | <grumpy> | Erh, Julian's time is right |
| 20:23 | <Julian> | 2021u: yes |
| 20:23 | <MarkK> | 2021u: yes |
| 20:23 | <grumpy> | freeside? |
| 20:24 | <freeside> | yes |
| 20:24 | <Julian> | Is that an approval of the motion? |
| 20:24 | <grumpy> | ok, motion carried |
| 20:24 | <grumpy> | Uh, I took it as such. |
| 20:25 | <grumpy> | hmmm |
| 20:26 | * | grumpy timesout on freeside |
| 20:26 | <grumpy> | freeside: please clarify your "yes" |
| 20:26 | <Julian> | freeside: Is that an approval of the motion? |
| 20:26 | <freeside> | yes |
| 20:26 | <Julian> | Ok. |
| 20:26 | <grumpy> | in the mean time, is there anything else that people wnat to discuss on this item? |
| 20:26 | <grumpy> | (resignation, and replacement) |
| 20:26 | <MarkK> | nope; lets move on |
| 20:26 | <Julian> | Not on my part. |
| 20:27 | <grumpy> | ok, next itme: 7) moving mailing lists away from moongroup |
| 20:27 | <grumpy> | it sounds like Chuck would like them moved... |
| 20:27 | <freeside> | let's move 'em to listbox |
| 20:27 | <Julian> | I think we should move all the lists to the SPF box and openspf.org in mid-term. |
| 20:27 | <grumpy> | he said he would maintain the archives |
| 20:28 | <grumpy> | freeside: can you import an old archive? |
| 20:28 | <MarkK> | I like the listbox option |
| 20:28 | <freeside> | think so |
| 20:28 | <grumpy> | ok |
| 20:28 | <grumpy> | I can see the advantage of having all the lists on the SPF box/openspf.org, but I'm really not in to running the lists. |
| 20:29 | <Julian> | Just out of curiousity: does that mean that all the mailing lists will remain at listbox? |
| 20:29 | <Julian> | Well, I guess the mailing lists cause a lot of traffic. |
| 20:29 | <Julian> | I don't know how much, though. |
| 20:29 | <grumpy> | I've been listmom'ing all the lists on listbox for a while now, and it seems to work ok. |
| 20:29 | <Julian> | What annoys me about listbox is that messages get munged (instead of MIME parts getting added for the footer, etc.). |
| 20:29 | <MarkK> | probably way much, in terms of outgoing bursts |
| 20:30 | <grumpy> | well, IIRC, we have something like 3.5k people on spf-announce, about 1k on spf-discuss, and a few hundred on spf-help. all the rest are pretty low. |
| 20:30 | <Julian> | spf-announce shouldn't be a problem as far as traffic is concerned. |
| 20:30 | <grumpy> | indeed, and the listbox munging breaks s/mime and gpg |
| 20:30 | <Julian> | Yes, it does. :-((( |
| 20:30 | <grumpy> | but, I'll confess, this isn't a burning issue for me. |
| 20:31 | <Julian> | freeside: Can something be done wrt the message munging issue? |
| 20:31 | <freeside> | m, it's tricky |
| 20:31 | <grumpy> | listbox seems to work fairly well, and I can live with it. If someone want's to try and run the lists on the SPF box, I think we can do that also. |
| 20:31 | <MarkK> | I always thought it serves as a real-life example of my pgp and s/mime solutions still have trouble :) |
| 20:31 | <freeside> | did you send in a bug report? |
| 20:32 | <Julian> | grumpy: I fear spf-discuss may cause too much traffic for the current SPF box's connection. But I'm not sure. |
| 20:32 | <Julian> | freeside: No. Where can I submit a bug report? |
| 20:32 | <grumpy> | Julian: I doubt that it would cause too much traffic. |
| 20:33 | <grumpy> | Hmmm... 3.5k * 200msg/day = 700kmsg/day. Yeah, I guess that is a fair number. |
| 20:33 | <Julian> | Ok, I'm mostly indifferent on where to move the council lists. I don't think we should move the other lists right now. |
| 20:34 | <grumpy> | Ok, well, I think listbox is fine |
| 20:34 | <Julian> | Setting up mailman on the SPF box isn't hard, but I don't know how to configure Exim. |
| 20:34 | <grumpy> | we could switch mailers on the SPF box... exim is just the default. |
| 20:34 | <grumpy> | (on debian) |
| 20:34 | <MarkK> | how about sendmail? :) |
| 20:34 | <Julian> | Ok, moving the council lists isn't a big issue, so we can move them again soon if we want to. |
| 20:35 | <grumpy> | motion: move the moongroup lists to listbox |
| 20:35 | <Julian> | Let's just move the council lists to listbox for now. |
| 20:35 | <Julian> | 2035u: seconded |
| 20:35 | <grumpy> | votes? |
| 20:35 | <MarkK> | 2035: yes |
| 20:35 | <Julian> | 2035u: yes |
| 20:35 | <freeside> | 2035u: yes |
| 20:35 | <grumpy> | freeside: can you take care of this? |
| 20:35 | <grumpy> | motion carried |
| 20:36 | <freeside> | i'll create the new lists. |
| 20:36 | <grumpy> | ok |
| 20:36 | <grumpy> | thanks |
| 20:36 | <freeside> | moving the archives might be a bit tricky. |
| 20:36 | <freeside> | i'll do my best. |
| 20:36 | <Julian> | freeside: ...i.e. set up "spf-council" and "spf-private" lists, import the archives from moongroup.com, and subscribe all of us. |
| 20:36 | <freeside> | point me at a tarball and i'l put it up somewhere. |
| 20:36 | <Julian> | grumpy: Can you ask Chuck for the archives? |
| 20:37 | <grumpy> | I asked chuck, and he said he would be willing to deal with it when the time came. |
| 20:37 | <grumpy> | I think freeside should ask so that there is one less person involved in the handoff |
| 20:37 | <Julian> | We should also ask Chuck if he wants advisory member status. |
| 20:37 | <grumpy> | yes, agreed. |
| 20:37 | <grumpy> | I can do that. |
| 20:37 | <Julian> | grumpy: Would you as the chair do that? |
| 20:37 | <Julian> | Ok. |
| 20:38 | <grumpy> | (yeah, as acting chair, I think that would be my job.) |
| 20:38 | <grumpy> | Ok, anything else we want to discuss aobut the lists? |
| 20:38 | <MarkK> | nope |
| 20:38 | <Julian> | No. |
| 20:38 | <grumpy> | next item: 8: how to proceed with regard to MS, SID, and the PRA? |
| 20:38 | <Julian> | Can I have the mike for a moment? |
| 20:38 | <grumpy> | yes |
| 20:39 | <Julian> | Ok. I gather all of you read my report from the MAAWG conference. |
| 20:39 | <Julian> | ... |
| 20:40 | <Julian> | I think we (the council) could try to get in touch with Microsoft and propose to them that they stop abusing SPFv1 records and in exchange for that we agree to promote a common SPFv2 record format that supports PRA. |
| 20:40 | <Julian> | We don't have to promote PRA ourselves. |
| 20:40 | <freeside> | i thought andy said he was going to do that.' |
| 20:40 | <Julian> | Domain owners can choose to publish for PRA or MAIL FROM or both. |
| 20:41 | <freeside> | i have to run, i'll come back in a few minutes. |
| 20:41 | <grumpy> | :-< |
| 20:41 | <Julian> | Hmm. |
| 20:41 | <grumpy> | And HELO! don't forget about HELO! |
| 20:41 | <Julian> | Yes, HELO. |
| 20:41 | * | grumpy tries to act presidential... |
| 20:41 | <Julian> | I really would like to forget about "spf2.0", and do a "v=spf2.1" in cooperation with MS. |
| 20:42 | <Julian> | v=spf2.1 would support helo, mfrom, and pra scopes. |
| 20:42 | <grumpy> | Andy will probably not make it to the email authentication summit thing this week |
| 20:42 | <Julian> | Too bad. |
| 20:42 | <grumpy> | yeah. |
| 20:42 | <Julian> | Anyway, what do you think of my proposal? |
| 20:42 | <grumpy> | I think that *IF* MS is willing, then I'm all for it. |
| 20:42 | <MarkK> | Julian: how likely do you fathom such a 'deal'? |
| 20:43 | <MarkK> | I mean, do you think MS will be open to it? |
| 20:43 | <Julian> | MS could define their PRA however they want, but the overall standard would be under our control (based on v=spf1 and spf2.0, with minor modifications). |
| 20:43 | <Julian> | I don't have the slightest clue. |
| 20:43 | <Julian> | But it would be a constructive way forward. |
| 20:44 | <grumpy> | yes... |
| 20:44 | <MarkK> | Well, I suppose it never hurts to ask |
| 20:44 | <Julian> | Any wishes of Microsoft would be discussed and incorporated into v=spf2.1. |
| 20:46 | <freeside> | i still think it's best for all involved if we and ms both promote v=spf1 records. |
| 20:46 | <freeside> | if we agree to split on the record format, with /pra vs /mfrom, you can bet that Industry will support /pra and spf mfrom will be left in the dust. |
| 20:46 | <freeside> | we see this already with teh godaddy situation. |
| 20:47 | <grumpy> | godaddy doesn't even support /pra right. |
| 20:48 | <Julian> | freeside: We don't need v=spf2.1 to get adopted from _our_ POV. We would be promoting it, but the most important thing for us would be that existing v=spf1 records aren't checked against PRA. |
| 20:49 | <grumpy> | for what it is worth, I filed *another* bug report with godaddy yesterday. |
| 20:49 | <freeside> | i still don't have a problem with checking v=spf1 records against PRA. |
| 20:49 | <freeside> | i still don't see what the problem is with that. |
| 20:49 | <Julian> | Most of the community and the council do, however. |
| 20:49 | <MarkK> | I do |
| 20:50 | <freeside> | i predict that if we go down the route of separating /pra from /mfrom scope in a spf2.* version of the spec, we're going to look back on that decision and point to it and say that was the downfall of spf. |
| 20:50 | <Julian> | E.g. it makes SRS-style forwarding break. |
| 20:50 | <Julian> | E.g. it makes SRSed alias-style forwarding break. |
| 20:51 | <freeside> | my answer to that is, if we're patching software to do SRS, let's patch it to add Resent. |
| 20:51 | <freeside> | it could all be in the same patch. |
| 20:51 | <Julian> | Many people, me included, think that MTAs should not mess with headers when doing alias-style forwarding. |
| 20:52 | <MarkK> | I am still fundamentally opposed to abusing v=spf1 records for checking PRA. |
| 21:17 | <grumpy> | Uh, I guess we should have pointed out that the council has moved into executive session to discuss strategy that can not be discussed in public |
| 21:40 | <grumpy> | We have decided to table items 8 and 9 pending the results of further discussions during the emailauthentication summit on Tuesday |
| 21:40 | <grumpy> | we need to set up our next meeting. |
| 21:40 | <Julian> | Yes. |
| 21:40 | <Julian> | Meng? |
| 21:40 | <MarkK> | indeed |
| 21:40 | <grumpy> | IIRC, Meng said he would trying to arrange the times. |
| 21:41 | <Julian> | freeside: can you propose a date? |
| 21:41 | <MarkK> | yes, for the next 4 weeks, I believe |
| 21:41 | <grumpy> | and I'll contact Greg Connor (joining the council) and Chuck (advisory role) |
| 21:41 | <Julian> | Cool. |
| 21:42 | <grumpy> | and Julian will get the new website finished, contact the new webmaster, write up all minutes, finish up the test suite, and solve world hunger. |
| 21:43 | <Julian> | No, no, no, _you_ will finish the test suite. |
| 21:43 | <grumpy> | Ok, MarkK you deal with world hunger... |
| 21:43 | <grumpy> | ;-) |
| 21:43 | <grumpy> | Ok, that's the end of the agenda |
| 21:43 | <Julian> | Actually, Mark can do the ending world hunger part. |
| 21:43 | <Julian> | Heh. |
| 21:44 | <MarkK> | ok, but I need to write a test-suite for that first. :) |
| 21:44 | <grumpy> | anything else we need to discuss? if so, type ... quickly |
| 21:44 | <Julian> | Meeting date?? |
| 21:44 | <Julian> | freeside? |
| 21:45 | <grumpy> | motion: adjourn |
| 21:45 | <MarkK> | freeside?? |
| 21:45 | <grumpy> | (it looks like freeside may have already had to leave...) |
| 21:45 | <Julian> | When will we know about the next meeting date? |
| 21:45 | <Julian> | As soon as freeside decides to let us know?? |
| 21:45 | <MarkK> | he will have to email us |
| 21:45 | <grumpy> | I'll hog-tie Meng at the conference. |
| 21:45 | <Julian> | Please do. |
| 21:45 | <Julian> | Ugh. |
| 21:46 | <Julian> | 2145u: seconded |
| 21:46 | <grumpy> | votes? |
| 21:46 | <Julian> | 2145u: yes |
| 21:46 | <MarkK> | 2145u: yes |
| 21:46 | <grumpy> | 2145u yea |
| 21:46 | <grumpy> | meeting ajourned |
| 21:46 | <grumpy> | Thanks everyone! |
| 21:46 | <Julian> | quorum_check(freeside); |
| 21:46 | * | Julian ducks. |
| 21:46 | <grumpy> | I think that is the most agenda items we have ever finished in one meeting |
| 21:46 | <MarkK> | yes, we did well |
| 21:47 | <Julian> | We've been really productive, yes. |
| 21:47 | <Julian> | Well, the meeting was well prepared, I think. |
| 21:47 | * | grumpy goes off to write email |
| 21:47 | <MarkK> | I am glad we were all gathered again today |
| 21:47 | * | Julian goes off to work on the website. |
| 21:47 | * | MarkK is off to bed |
| 21:47 | <grumpy> | email logs will be posted Real SOon Now so I can give URLs in my emails |
| 21:48 | <Julian> | grumpy: Shall I contact Michael Weiner about his new job? |
| 21:48 | <grumpy> | speak now, or wait until tomorrow to get comments posted. |
| 21:48 | <grumpy> | Julian: yes |
| 21:48 | <Julian> | Ok. |
| 21:48 | <MarkK> | goodnight all |
| 21:48 | <grumpy> | you are the co-webmaster |
| 21:48 | <Julian> | grumpy: Yes. |
| 21:48 | <grumpy> | Oh, and let me know if you want CD-Rs burned for backups |
| 21:48 | <Julian> | grumpy: Who should contact James and John about transferring the domains? |
| 21:48 | <grumpy> | Uh, I guess I can do that since they need to be transfered to me |
| 21:49 | <Julian> | Ok. |
| 21:49 | <Julian> | A backup once per week would be nice. |
| 21:49 | <grumpy> | and freeside needs to contact chuck about the mailing lists. |
| 21:49 | <Julian> | Should we enable gpg encryption of the backup archives? |
| 21:49 | <grumpy> | how did MarkK get away without an action item? |
| 21:49 | <Julian> | He just left. :-P |
| 21:50 | <grumpy> | well, I do on mine, but is there anything private on the SPF box? |
| 21:50 | <Julian> | /etc/passwd. |
| 21:50 | <Julian> | /etc/shadow, I mean. |
| 21:50 | <grumpy> | yeah |
| 21:50 | <grumpy> | uh, I guess... although we could just not back it up. |
| 21:50 | <Julian> | Interesting idea. |
| 21:51 | <Julian> | There may be other things, but I'll just exclude /etc/shadow for now. |
| 21:52 | <grumpy> | I think the risks of not being able to recover data due to not knowing the GPG passphrase is higher than the risk of someone ahold of the back up disk and cracking /etc/shadow |
| 21:53 | <Julian> | Uh... |
| 21:53 | <grumpy> | ? |
| 21:53 | <Julian> | Multiple persons would have access to the gpg key. |
| 21:53 | <grumpy> | s/would/should/ |
| 21:53 | <Julian> | Like, everyone on the council. |
| 21:53 | <Julian> | Yes. |
| 21:54 | <Julian> | Anyway, I just excluded /etc/shadow.* |
| 21:55 | <Julian> | Enough talk on #spf-council. |