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| 17:04 | <Julian> | What e-mail? |
| 17:04 | <MarkK> | (btw, with "we'd be discussing" I mean the new Council, of course) |
| 17:05 | <MarkK> | about the credit for domain names |
| 17:05 | <grumpy> | OOOoohh |
| 17:05 | <grumpy> | uh, yeah |
| 17:06 | * | Julian is confused. |
| 17:07 | <grumpy> | see my post to SPF-webmasters as of 10 minutes ago |
| 17:07 | <grumpy> | basically: the credits for donating the domain names have been up for 2 months now, and yesterday I noticed that this is the text that some search engines ar showing for every webpage |
| 17:08 | <grumpy> | So, I think it is time to move the credits to the bottom of just the main web page |
| 17:08 | <Julian> | "see my post to SPF-webmasters as of 10 minutes ago" -- Oh, that. |
| 17:08 | <MarkK> | yeah; and I think we do well to vote on it tonight, and get it out of the way |
| 17:08 | <Julian> | Ok. |
| 17:08 | * | grumpy bets that there won't be a quorum, but... |
| 17:08 | <MarkK> | T + 8 |
| 17:08 | * | grumpy is *WAY* too grumpy |
| 17:09 | <Julian> | I do expect Greg to show up soon. |
| 17:09 | <grumpy> | did you send a reminder email? |
| 17:09 | <Julian> | ...though I cannot say the same for Meng. |
| 17:09 | <MarkK> | it would be pretty embarassing if we cannot get quorum for our last meeting. :) |
| 17:09 | <Julian> | No, I haven't sent him a reminder mail. |
| 17:10 | <MarkK> | Since Greg himself suggested 16:00 UTC, you'd think he will come |
| 17:10 | <grumpy> | I think it is sunday morning and he is following a routine that doesn't include SPF council meetings... |
| 17:11 | <Julian> | I have now sent him a reminder. |
| 17:11 | <MarkK> | why is wayne *WAY* to grumpy, btw? |
| 17:12 | <MarkK> | too, even |
| 17:15 | <MarkK> | freeside? |
| 17:31 | <MarkK> | now *I* may get grumpy, lol; maybe we should reschedule? |
| 17:32 | <Julian> | Yeah, but to when?? |
| 17:32 | <MarkK> | somewhere in the neighboorhood of 22:00 UTC? |
| 17:33 | <MarkK> | like usual |
| 17:33 | <Julian> | MarkK: Dare you say you have a live outside SPF and want to do something other than idling in #spf-council with your Sundays? ;-) |
| 17:34 | <Julian> | "a life", ahem. |
| 17:34 | <Julian> | Well, sure, let's reschedule. I have no idea however if Wayne and Greg would show up then... |
| 17:35 | <MarkK> | in truth, I need to go out for a moment, any time soon; so, indeed, I cannot keep waiting for another few hours |
| 17:35 | <Julian> | grumpy: Do you have time later? |
| 17:35 | <grumpy> | sure |
| 17:35 | <Julian> | Ok, let's try to meet again between 21:00 and 22:00 UTC. |
| 17:35 | <MarkK> | ok |
| 21:05 | <Julian> | Hi Mark! |
| 21:05 | <MarkK> | good evenig; hope we have better luck now |
| 21:06 | <Julian> | I have heard nothing from Greg. |
| 21:06 | <MarkK> | hhm, bummer; cuz I doubt meng will be here |
| 21:12 | <Julian> | This is making me sick... |
| 21:15 | <MarkK> | sigh |
| 21:16 | <Julian> | freeside: ping |
| 21:18 | <Julian> | Ok, guys, if we don't have quorum by 22:00 UTC, I suggest we proceed anyway and ignore the quorum rule. I just can't see breaking the election when so much time and work has been invested into it. |
| 21:18 | <Julian> | grumpy: You there? |
| 21:20 | <MarkK> | It seems we're the only ones |
| 21:21 | <Julian> | Well, he said he would be there, and Wayne usually sticks to his promises. |
| 21:21 | <MarkK> | we hardly have quorum with two people; we need at least 3 to have some sort of credibility; I have good hopes wayne will show up, though |
| 21:21 | <MarkK> | yes |
| 21:24 | <MarkK> | I'm gonna make some late-night coffee; brb |
| 21:26 | <Julian> | Perhaps defining the council election period as one year wasn't such a good idea after all. Why do people have to go AWOL like this? |
| 21:27 | <Julian> | ...or should I say MIA? |
| 21:28 | <MarkK> | I dunno; it seems like a crappy way to go out like this. :( |
| 21:55 | <MarkK> | T -5 |
| 22:02 | <MarkK> | wayne? |
| 22:03 | <Julian> | grumpy? |
| 22:04 | <Julian> | Let's wait a few more minutes, perhaps Wayne was planning to be here at 22:00 UTC but is now late. |
| 22:04 | <Julian> | Who knows what he uses his Sundays for? Perhaps seeing his kids? ;-) |
| 22:05 | <MarkK> | yes |
| 22:09 | <grumpy> | ouch |
| 22:09 | <grumpy> | sorry |
| 22:09 | <MarkK> | good; there he is :) |
| 22:11 | <Julian> | I need another 3 minutes. |
| 22:11 | <grumpy> | yes, I did think it was 22:00 UTC... |
| 22:11 | <grumpy> | and yes, I was seeing my kids |
| 22:12 | <Julian> | Heh. |
| 22:12 | <grumpy> | Hi Greg! |
| 22:13 | <gconnor_l> | heh, sorry I missed the meeting time |
| 22:13 | <Julian> | w00t! |
| 22:13 | <Julian> | gconnor_l: How did you know to show up _now_? |
| 22:13 | <grumpy> | I was an hour late to this meeting time too... |
| 22:14 | <MarkK> | behold, we have quorum! |
| 22:14 | <gconnor_l> | I just now checked mail and got your message, so I came right over to see if you were still here |
| 22:14 | <grumpy> | for what it is worth, since I'm not running for Council, I can volunteer to be the election officer. |
| 22:14 | <grumpy> | I would prefer someone else, but... |
| 22:14 | <gconnor_l> | much apologies :) |
| 22:14 | <Julian> | gconnor_l: So you (and we) were lucky. :-) |
| 22:15 | <Julian> | Ok, I know my invitation to this last meeting was not the friendliest one, and it wasn't very far in advance, but it seemed necessary to me. |
| 22:16 | <Julian> | I was sort of swamped with all the election tasks, so I forgot to do some things early, like the invitation to this meeting. |
| 22:16 | <gconnor_l> | Not a problem, I didn't observe any unfriendliness for what it's worth :) |
| 22:16 | <Julian> | Can we officially start? |
| 22:16 | <grumpy> | sure |
| 22:16 | <Julian> | See $topic for today's agenda, which is quite short. |
| 22:17 | <MarkK> | yes |
| 22:17 | <Julian> | As you may have noticed, I managed to write two more meeting minutes: |
| 22:17 | <Julian> | http://new.openspf.org/Council_Meeting/2005-05-04 |
| 22:17 | <Julian> | http://new.openspf.org/Council_Meeting/2005-05-18 |
| 22:17 | <MarkK> | yes, I read them |
| 22:17 | <Julian> | Who has not read them? |
| 22:17 | <grumpy> | me! |
| 22:17 | * | grumpy blushes |
| 22:17 | <gconnor_l> | I'm reading right now |
| 22:18 | <Julian> | Ok, let's pause for ~4min. |
| 22:19 | <Julian> | Say when you're finished reading. |
| 22:19 | <gconnor_l> | Ok I re-read it :) |
| 22:20 | <gconnor_l> | I have nothing to add to the agenda |
| 22:20 | <grumpy> | Oh, I'm a slow reader, but I've skimmed them |
| 22:20 | <grumpy> | and they look about right to me |
| 22:21 | <Julian> | Ok, motion: please approve the 2005-05-04 and -18 meetings. |
| 22:21 | <MarkK> | 22:21u: yes |
| 22:21 | <Julian> | I take that as a "second". |
| 22:21 | <grumpy> | seconded |
| 22:21 | <MarkK> | yes, sorry |
| 22:21 | <Julian> | Votes? |
| 22:21 | <gconnor_l> | 22:21u: abstain :) |
| 22:21 | <grumpy> | 22:21u yes |
| 22:21 | <MarkK> | 22:21u: yes |
| 22:22 | <Julian> | 22:21u: yes |
| 22:22 | <grumpy> | gconnor_l: why abstain? |
| 22:22 | <gconnor> | I wasn't at those meetings :) |
| 22:22 | <grumpy> | duh |
| 22:22 | <grumpy> | "nevermind" |
| 22:22 | <Julian> | Greg wasn't with us yet when those meetings took place. |
| 22:22 | <Julian> | Anyway, so ordered. Thanks. |
| 22:22 | <Julian> | Next item: 2. Formal confirmation of Wayne's resignation from the council. |
| 22:23 | <Julian> | I'd like to have a short discussion first. Objections? |
| 22:23 | <grumpy> | 22:22 seconded |
| 22:23 | <grumpy> | oh, wait, I retract my second then |
| 22:23 | <gconnor> | No objections, just ... |
| 22:23 | <Julian> | grumpy: Was there any _specific_ reason which made you resign? |
| 22:24 | <gconnor> | It seems that we're drawing close to the time when it would become a moot point :) |
| 22:24 | <grumpy> | other than I am not being productive with SPF, and not doing the stuff that I really need to do as a council member, no. |
| 22:24 | <grumpy> | yeah, but I threw things onto others to take care of the election and stuff. |
| 22:24 | <grumpy> | sorry |
| 22:24 | <grumpy> | and thank you Julian |
| 22:24 | <Julian> | Hmm, ok. I thought that maybe I or someone else had annoyed you. |
| 22:24 | <grumpy> | no |
| 22:25 | <grumpy> | believe me, if I get pissed, I let people know. |
| 22:25 | <grumpy> | 1/2 ;-) |
| 22:25 | <gconnor> | Even if you choose not to formally resign, I don't think there are really any upcoming responsibilities that you can't be excused from. IMO |
| 22:25 | <grumpy> | well, among other things, I should have organized the agenda and meeting |
| 22:25 | <Julian> | Anyway, I'd like to say I'm very sad to see you go. You've been a huge element of the council and of the project. |
| 22:25 | <grumpy> | well, I'm not planning on leaving the project |
| 22:26 | <gconnor> | How about resigning as chair and keeping your member status until the elections get confirmed? |
| 22:26 | <MarkK> | well, I think you did terrific work for SPF. But if you feel no longer motivated, then I cannot but respect that, of course |
| 22:26 | <Julian> | grumpy: That's good to know, because you wanted to work on the test suite. ;-) |
| 22:26 | <grumpy> | I need to do so many things, and I've been a putz... |
| 22:27 | <grumpy> | anyway, I guess I assumed that you would bring in someone new, just like we brought in Greg |
| 22:27 | <gconnor> | I would probably not seek to replace you at this late stage... I believe we are less than a month from a new council being seated, right? |
| 22:27 | <Julian> | grumpy: That didn't seem appropriate since we were only so short before the election, and we could only accept your resignation today. |
| 22:28 | <MarkK> | at this pooint, bringing in someone new seems undoable or not worth the trouble, really (just for one last meeting) |
| 22:28 | <grumpy> | ok, well it is all moot now |
| 22:28 | <Julian> | It would also have been a joke for whoever would have replaced you. |
| 22:28 | <grumpy> | not really, at least not in my opinion |
| 22:28 | <gconnor> | in that case I move that the resignation be "tabled indefinitely" :) |
| 22:29 | <grumpy> | but, anyway, there are several more meetings that are going to need to be done |
| 22:29 | <grumpy> | to deal with the election |
| 22:29 | <grumpy> | right? |
| 22:29 | <gconnor> | Oh... really? |
| 22:29 | <Julian> | Only if disputes are submitted, I guess. |
| 22:29 | <grumpy> | Hmmm |
| 22:29 | <Julian> | Otherwise, today is our last convention. |
| 22:29 | <grumpy> | I thought there was an approval of the vote thing |
| 22:29 | <MarkK> | I thought this was our last one, no? |
| 22:30 | <Julian> | I don't think the new council should need to be approved by the old one. |
| 22:30 | <gconnor> | In any case, if there are additional meetings, and you miss them, you'll still have a better attendance record than, say, me :) |
| 22:30 | <Julian> | Any council member can submit a dispute if something goes terribly wrong with the election. |
| 22:30 | <grumpy> | ok |
| 22:30 | <grumpy> | well |
| 22:31 | <gconnor> | If there are no disputes, I expect we can each just write a note to the spf-council list and say "so long, thanks for the fish, good luck you guys" |
| 22:31 | <Julian> | grumpy: Ok, anyway, I assume you're not going to retract your resignation as a council member (as opposed to from the chair)? |
| 22:31 | <grumpy> | I have effectively been gone and Julian has, thankfully, stepped forward and organized the eleciton and the meeting. |
| 22:31 | <grumpy> | yeah, I guess if you think it would be productive (like to deal with meng being awol), I can just resign as chair |
| 22:32 | <gconnor> | I would support that. |
| 22:32 | <Julian> | It would definitely help. Otherwise I was going to move that the quorum be lowered to 3 for election related issues later. |
| 22:32 | <grumpy> | that might be the safe thing to do anyway. 1/2 :-< |
| 22:33 | <Julian> | Hell, I don't know why Meng hasn't shown us the respect of resigning a few months ago. |
| 22:33 | <gconnor> | If we can't get a quorum on #spf-council, there's always email |
| 22:33 | <Julian> | True. |
| 22:34 | <MarkK> | lets face it, we lost meng a long time ago. |
| 22:34 | <Julian> | Ok, grumpy, what will it be? :-) |
| 22:34 | <grumpy> | motion: accept my resignation as Chair |
| 22:34 | <Julian> | 21:34u: seconded. |
| 22:34 | <Julian> | 22:34u: seconded. |
| 22:34 | <Julian> | (uhh...) |
| 22:34 | <gconnor> | 22:34u: yes |
| 22:34 | <grumpy> | votes? |
| 22:35 | <grumpy> | 22:34u yes |
| 22:35 | <Julian> | 22:34u: yes |
| 22:35 | <Julian> | wait(MarkK) |
| 22:35 | <MarkK> | 22:34u: yes |
| 22:35 | <Julian> | So ordered. |
| 22:35 | <MarkK> | (with sadness, though |
| 22:35 | <MarkK> | ) |
| 22:35 | <Julian> | Wayne, thanks a lot for your work as chairman! |
| 22:36 | <grumpy> | sure |
| 22:36 | <Julian> | Now, should we choose a new chairman for the rest of the term? |
| 22:36 | <gconnor> | 22:35: seconded!!! |
| 22:36 | <grumpy> | thanks for doing all the minutes and such |
| 22:36 | <grumpy> | ok, what's next? elect a new chair? |
| 22:37 | <Julian> | I think we should have one. But it should be someone who isn't secretary. |
| 22:37 | <Julian> | Unless we want to elect a new secretary also, I'd suggest Mark or Greg. |
| 22:37 | <gconnor> | secretary, that would be you? |
| 22:37 | <Julian> | gconnor: Yeah... |
| 22:38 | <Julian> | Mark, would you be willing to be the chair? |
| 22:38 | <MarkK> | I can do it for the time being |
| 22:38 | <gconnor> | what are the responsibilities (remaining) for secretary? |
| 22:39 | <Julian> | Writing the minutes, organizing the election (the parts that are not done by the election officer), not much more at this stage, I guess. |
| 22:39 | <MarkK> | I always thought the secretary would took the position of the chair in case the chair stepped down; but I guess I thought wrong. :) |
| 22:39 | <grumpy> | doing the minutes is a lot of work |
| 22:39 | <Julian> | MarkK: AFAIR, the executive director was supposed to be vice chair. |
| 22:40 | <Julian> | grumpy: Yes, definitely... |
| 22:40 | <MarkK> | julian: yes, you're right; but I guess we can forget about the executive director |
| 22:40 | <Julian> | True... |
| 22:41 | <Julian> | Ok, I move that Mark be the chair for the remaining weeks. |
| 22:41 | <grumpy> | seconded |
| 22:41 | <Julian> | Second it or make another motion. |
| 22:41 | <MarkK> | the way things look, I do not think he'll be back in the new council, either (but I haven't checked all nominations, to be sure) |
| 22:41 | <Julian> | MarkK: Meng has been nominated. |
| 22:41 | <Julian> | Votes for 22:41u? |
| 22:41 | <grumpy> | 2241u yea |
| 22:41 | <gconnor> | 2241u: yes |
| 22:41 | <Julian> | 22:41u: yes |
| 22:42 | <MarkK> | yes, but I did no see a second for him, did you? (not that it matters, really, as this is quite off-topic anyway) |
| 22:42 | <Julian> | Mark? |
| 22:42 | <MarkK> | 22:41u: yes |
| 22:42 | <Julian> | Ok, Mark, do you accept? |
| 22:42 | <MarkK> | yes, of course |
| 22:42 | <Julian> | Great, we have a new chair. Thanks, Mark. |
| 22:42 | <Julian> | Last item. |
| 22:43 | <Julian> | 3. Appoint a neutral election officer for the coming council elections. |
| 22:43 | <MarkK> | I had John Pinkerton in mind; but wayne just volunteered too, I believe |
| 22:43 | <grumpy> | I would rather have someone else do it |
| 22:43 | <Julian> | Only Nick Nicholas, Frank Ellermann, and John Pinkerton have been nominated or have suggested themselves on spf-discuss. |
| 22:44 | <Julian> | We aren't bound to that, though. |
| 22:44 | <MarkK> | John P. did a very good job last year |
| 22:44 | <grumpy> | but FrankE said now, right? |
| 22:44 | <Julian> | We can pick whoever we want, we should only be prepared to back up our decision. |
| 22:44 | <grumpy> | yeah, but he hasn't been very active recently |
| 22:44 | <Julian> | I think Frank declined, yeah. |
| 22:45 | <Julian> | I have contacted the three yesterday but haven't heard of them (except for Frank). |
| 22:45 | <MarkK> | frank declined for council, too |
| 22:45 | <grumpy> | of course, being a weekend, that isn't surprising |
| 22:45 | <Julian> | (MarkK: Did he? I wasn't so sure about that...) |
| 22:45 | <Julian> | grumpy: I know. That's one of the things I missed to do earlier. |
| 22:45 | <MarkK> | julian: or maybe he just agreed on not liking IRC. :) It was not ambiguous a bit |
| 22:46 | <Julian> | I would have liked to appoint JohnP, but since he seems to be out of reach... |
| 22:46 | <MarkK> | (if the latter is the case, then please disregard my earlier comment, Frank) |
| 22:46 | <Julian> | Ok, we can really only appoint someone who is willing to do the job, which leaves us with Wayne and Nick (sort of). |
| 22:47 | <Julian> | I'm not sure if Nick is really willing to do it. |
| 22:47 | <Julian> | He said he could "assist". |
| 22:47 | <gconnor> | The only thing I see from Nick is: I'm not putting myself forth as a candidate for the elections officer position, but I am offering to assist as needed. I have a *considerable* amount of experience in this area." |
| 22:48 | <Julian> | The thing is, we need to get the registration started within the next 24h, better less than that. |
| 22:49 | <grumpy> | well, I can do, if need be. |
| 22:49 | <grumpy> | at least I think I can do it |
| 22:49 | <MarkK> | I could write John P again, and specifically ask him |
| 22:49 | * | grumpy isn't sure what all this is going to involve |
| 22:49 | <Julian> | Wayne, you said you'd be willing to act as elections officer, does that offer still stand? |
| 22:49 | <gconnor> | I can also help out, I suppose, given some help |
| 22:49 | <grumpy> | gconnor: are you running for the next council? |
| 22:49 | <grumpy> | if so, you can't be election officer |
| 22:50 | <gconnor> | No, I was going to mention it, I don't intend to be on the next council, though I would like to continue to serve as list-mom |
| 22:50 | <grumpy> | Ok, then let's let greg be the RO |
| 22:51 | <MarkK> | RO? |
| 22:51 | <grumpy> | return-officer |
| 22:51 | <grumpy> | sorry |
| 22:51 | <Julian> | Heh. I wasn't sure if "election officer" was a real term in English... Is it? |
| 22:52 | <MarkK> | I think it is |
| 22:52 | <Julian> | Anyway, Greg, would you be willing to act as the EO/RO? |
| 22:52 | <gconnor> | Certainly. |
| 22:52 | <grumpy> | seconded! |
| 22:52 | <Julian> | Anyone opposed? |
| 22:52 | <grumpy> | let's vote before he has a chance to change his mind |
| 22:52 | <Julian> | LOL |
| 22:53 | <Julian> | Ok, votes on 2252u? |
| 22:53 | <MarkK> | 22:52u: yes |
| 22:53 | <grumpy> | 2252u yea |
| 22:53 | <Julian> | 2252u: yes |
| 22:53 | <gconnor> | 2252u: yes |
| 22:53 | <grumpy> | thank you Greg |
| 22:53 | <Julian> | Ok, so ordered. |
| 22:53 | <Julian> | Thanks, Greg! |
| 22:53 | <gconnor> | You're welcome, may the best spuds win! |
| 22:54 | <Julian> | This leaves us in the lucky situation of being able to start the next phase of the election nearly in time. :-) |
| 22:54 | <MarkK> | (I could offer to help him, but I know to little about the math involved to be of any real use) |
| 22:54 | <Julian> | There's no math involved. |
| 22:54 | <Julian> | Are there any other agenda items for this last meeting of ours? |
| 22:54 | <grumpy> | (fyi; en.wikipedia has no entry for "election officer", but does have one for "return officer". It explains that "return officer" is used in places outside of the US.) |
| 22:54 | <gconnor> | I will probably want to pick julian's brain, but we can do that offline |
| 22:55 | <Julian> | gconnor: We can do that later, yeah. |
| 22:55 | <grumpy> | Uh, I think MarkK wanted to add the "Thank you" note on the website |
| 22:55 | <Julian> | Oh, that. |
| 22:55 | <grumpy> | I say: yes, let's change it. but then, I said that in my email... |
| 22:56 | <grumpy> | other thoughts? |
| 22:56 | <Julian> | Well, I think we can safely remove the blatant banner by now. |
| 22:56 | <gconnor> | what was the change? I missed it |
| 22:56 | <MarkK> | yeah, at least I want to make it official (after voting on it, of course) that we tone down the profuse wording which is up there now |
| 22:57 | <Julian> | I'm not sure we need a motion for that, but if someone wants one, please table it. |
| 22:57 | <grumpy> | Well, I appreciate the donation, and I think it was appropriate for a while. |
| 22:58 | <gconnor> | I agree with the spirit. Would it be OK to just leave it up to the webmaster? |
| 22:58 | <Julian> | In any case (motion or not), I can change it in a few minutes. |
| 22:58 | <MarkK> | Ok with me, I guess (as it seems the webmasters are agreeing with it, as far as I can tell) |
| 22:58 | <grumpy> | fyi; I learned a while back that "tabling an item" in England means "to call for a vote". In the US, it means "no longer consider it" |
| 22:59 | <Julian> | grumpy: Oh, I guess I used it in the British sense. |
| 22:59 | <gconnor> | Motion: The thank-you message can be changed at the webmaster's discretion, either text or a link on the main page being the only requirement |
| 22:59 | <Julian> | s/changed/toned down/ |
| 22:59 | <grumpy> | yeah, and I think Greg used "tabled" in the US sense earlier in the meeting... |
| 22:59 | <grumpy> | two countries, divided by a common language. |
| 23:00 | <Julian> | (I generally tend to using American English.) |
| 23:00 | <gconnor> | :) |
| 23:00 | <Julian> | Motion: The thank-you message can be toned down at the webmaster's discretion, either text or a link on the main page being the only requirement. |
| 23:00 | <grumpy> | I think we promised a link to JamesC |
| 23:00 | <MarkK> | I think brittish English uses "to shelve it" for 'putting it to rest for a while' |
| 23:01 | <MarkK> | yes, the link can stay, as per our promises |
| 23:01 | <grumpy> | the US uses the same phrase the same way |
| 23:01 | <Julian> | grumpy: Ok. I think we should leave the note on _all_ pages, though, not just on the main page. |
| 23:01 | <grumpy> | I don't think we need to put it on all web pages |
| 23:02 | <MarkK> | I just rather the text be toned down and be moved to the bottom of the pages |
| 23:02 | <grumpy> | I think it is a waste of screen space |
| 23:02 | <grumpy> | we only promised that it would be on the front page |
| 23:02 | <MarkK> | I do not recall we promised 'on every page' |
| 23:02 | <Julian> | Motion: The thank-you message can be toned down at the webmaster's discretion, but at least a note and a link to the donators on the front page have to stay. |
| 23:02 | <gconnor> | Motion: The thank-you message can be changed at the webmaster's discretion, either text or a link on the main page being the only requirement |
| 23:02 | <MarkK> | just the front page should suffice |
| 23:03 | <Julian> | (This has little to do with what we promised. We can always do more than we promised.) |
| 23:03 | <grumpy> | great, we have two 23:02's |
| 23:03 | <gconnor> | I yield to Julian's version |
| 23:03 | <Julian> | 2302u.julian vs 2302u.gconnor |
| 23:03 | <MarkK> | hhm, I really think just the front page will do |
| 23:04 | <gconnor> | I just wanted to put it on the webmaster and not have the council decide exactly what to do |
| 23:04 | <grumpy> | 23:02u (Julian) seconded |
| 23:04 | <Julian> | Votes on 2302u.julian? |
| 23:04 | <Julian> | 2302u.julian: yes |
| 23:04 | <gconnor> | 2302u.julian: yes |
| 23:04 | <grumpy> | 2302u.julian: yea |
| 23:04 | <Julian> | wait(MarkK) |
| 23:05 | <MarkK> | I'm confused now; I see julian saw two things: keep on all pages + keep on just the first |
| 23:05 | <Julian> | "<Julian> Motion: The thank-you message can be toned down at the webmaster's discretion, but at least a note and a link to the donators on the front page have to stay." |
| 23:06 | <Julian> | That's what I wrote at 23:02 UTC. |
| 23:06 | <MarkK> | oh, ok; 2302: yes |
| 23:06 | <Julian> | So ordered, thanks. |
| 23:06 | <Julian> | Any other items? |
| 23:06 | <MarkK> | I got confused with: "[00:01] <Julian> grumpy: Ok. I think we should leave the note on _all_ pages, though, not just on the main page." |
| 23:07 | <MarkK> | but that was 2301. :) |
| 23:07 | <Julian> | MarkK: Yeah, I changed my motion. |
| 23:07 | <Julian> | Any other items? |
| 23:07 | <Julian> | Ok, thank you so much for enabling us to conclude this council's business _gracefully_. Especially Wayne. |
| 23:07 | <grumpy> | thanks everyone |
| 23:08 | <Julian> | It was a great year, and it was a hell of a year. But it was great! |
| 23:08 | <MarkK> | Yes, it would have looked pretty awkward otherwise |
| 23:08 | <gconnor> | Yes. Thanks :) |
| 23:08 | <Julian> | gconnor: Thanks for joining the council mid-ways. |
| 23:08 | <gconnor> | No problem :) |
| 23:08 | <Julian> | Thanks to Chuck for being with the council the first half, and for being the chair |
| 23:09 | <MarkK> | We should be especially grateful to wayne for his outstanding hard work on the RFC matters |
| 23:09 | <Julian> | And thanks to Meng for attending countless conferences while we were wasting our time with useless meetings. ;-) |
| 23:10 | <Julian> | Yes, thanks, Wayne, for working on the spec! (although it is not entirely finished yet.) |
| 23:10 | <MarkK> | Wayne, I presume any futire council can count on your help with the IESG/IETF with finalizing the RFC, right? |
| 23:11 | <MarkK> | (well, that is actually no longer any of my business; I'm sure you'll be asked, though) |
| 23:12 | <Julian> | MarkK: Are you going to not run for the new council? |
| 23:12 | <grumpy> | off course... |
| 23:12 | <grumpy> | s/off/of/ |
| 23:13 | <Julian> | Ok, motion: officially adjourn this meeting. |
| 23:13 | <MarkK> | Julian: I ran, but am not seconded; so, it looks like an entirely new crew will take over. :) |
| 23:13 | <gconnor> | 2nd |
| 23:13 | <Julian> | MarkK: Secondes are not needed this time. |
| 23:13 | <grumpy> | 23:13u yea |
| 23:13 | <Julian> | The election rules don't mention any seconds. |
| 23:13 | <MarkK> | 2313: yes |
| 23:14 | <gconnor> | 23:13u yea |
| 23:14 | <Julian> | Uh, votes on 2313u? |
| 23:14 | <MarkK> | julian: I guess I missed that |
| 23:14 | <Julian> | 2313u: yes |
| 23:14 | <Julian> | So the meeting is adjourned. |
| 23:14 | <gconnor> | thanks everyone |
| 23:14 | <MarkK> | glad we did this final one so decently |
| 23:14 | <Julian> | Yeah, glad as hell. |
| 23:17 | <MarkK> | well, we (the SPF community) certainly put SPF on the map; all our detractirs despite, we had a good year |
| 23:17 | <Julian> | Yes, agreed. |